UNMARKED SPOILER THREAD - Avengers: Endgame - "Avenge the fallen"

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[Captain Kinopio]

Just out. Was meh about the first half, last hour saved it for me. Good but not a patch on Infinity War.

Also I cannot strawberry floating believe Google was sending me spoiler notifications all day in the form of 'New story on Iron Man/Captain America/Black Widow'. Obviously I didn't read them but as soon as Black Widow died I was 90% sure what was coming. Unfucking Believable.

[PatSharpsMullet]

Having just watched Into the Spider-Verse, it's made me realise that the 5 year time jump in Endgame means they have a good way of introducing Miles Morales sooner rather than later. Homecoming features Aaron Davies and he mentions his young nephew, so we know he definitely exists.

[Return_of_the_STAR]

Having just watched Into the Spider-Verse, it's made me realise that the 5 year time jump in Endgame means they have a good way of introducing Miles Morales sooner rather than later. Homecoming features Aaron Davies and he mentions his young nephew, so we know he definitely exists.

Wow true

[Return_of_the_STAR]

Just out. Was meh about the first half, last hour saved it for me. Good but not a patch on Infinity War.

Also I cannot strawberry floating believe Google was sending me spoiler notifications all day in the form of 'New story on Iron Man/Captain America/Black Widow'. Obviously I didn't read them but as soon as Black Widow died I was 90% sure what was coming. Unfucking Believable.

I can’t watched GOT till tomorrow night so I’m terrified of google spoiling that for me tomorrow. It’s starting to spoil more and more stuff for me.

[Captain Kinopio]

Just out. Was meh about the first half, last hour saved it for me. Good but not a patch on Infinity War.

Also I cannot strawberry floating believe Google was sending me spoiler notifications all day in the form of 'New story on Iron Man/Captain America/Black Widow'. Obviously I didn't read them but as soon as Black Widow died I was 90% sure what was coming. Unfucking Believable.

I can’t watched GOT till tomorrow night so I’m terrified of google spoiling that for me tomorrow. It’s starting to spoil more and more stuff for me.

It’s some next level invasion of privacy bullshit. Thankfully I wasn’t sure until I got out the film so it wasn’t completely spoiled but still strawberry floating annoying.


It’s difficult to say why the first half didn’t click with me. Something about the tone, the 5 year jump and lack of action maybe. But I think what grated the most was what they did to Thor.

Since Infinity War he has been my favourite character, his arc in that is absolutely brilliant. He plays his anguish so well and that scene where he breaks down in front of Rocket is so impactful. Then when he crashes onto the field, the music swells ‘Bring Me Thanos’, it’s just magic. Probably one of my top 10 film moments ever. Seeing him at the start of this where he was just broken I thought was great, then they turned him into pure comedy relief. Hemsworth is brilliant at it and it there were some great lines, but I felt it just belittled my favourite character and he was robbed of his pay off. I liked the scene with his mother and they almost redeemed it, I wish he’d lightninged of the fat or something and had a real strawberry float you triumph moment though.

I think I felt the same about Tony to a lesser degree too. Seeing him completely broken at the start was so powerful but after the 5 year jump, I dunno, something just felt off. I loved his final hour though and glad he got an amazing send off. Almost had tears rolling down my cheeks throughout some of it.

I guess I just thought the whole time travel stuff was all too lacking in drama and was a bit to wacky adventures. Infinity War was breathless, I had no idea where it was going, everything felt impactful and like it could go in any direction. Those separate time travel adventures didn’t have any of that. It was all solid, just as a method to resolve the snap it didn’t pay off for me.

Once everything came back together though and I felt like the story could actually be gotten on with it was just brilliant and had all the bombast of Infinity War, even if it did lack a bit of the impact of it.

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Not the biggest marvel fan but IW and EG will definitely enter into my fave sequence of movies along with LOTR's and The Hobbit trilogy.

I'm hoping Thor is in Guardians 3.

[Denster]

Google spoiling things is strawberry floating unforgivable. It's done the same to me as soon as I'd seen it.
I liked Thors arc - it felt more real rather than having him just have been angry for five years. He was still kick ass when he got his mojo back. It would have been a cop out if he'd just got ripped again. Plus he set up the pay off with cap and Mjolnir. The fact that Thor is so happy at Cap being worthy is brilliant and a lovely nod to the scene in Ultron. As for Tony - his arc is brilliant for me. His sacrifice is far more significant because he's achieved some normalcy with his kid and log cabin as well as the closure with his dad.

[Clarkman]

Enjoyed the film a lot. Anybody who goes in hoping for water tight logic in what was obviously destined to be a time-travel film clearly needs to manage their expectations.

My big question is: how can they now create and manage a threat which rivals Thanos?

The process of escalation across all the previous films in the MCU built to this denouement - the ultimate threat with the most sinister intentions.

How can any villain be given the same screen presence? How can any villain provide equitable menace? How can any villain feel intimidating at a macro level?

Feels like the overpowered heroes (e.g. Captain Marvel and Doctor Strange) will have to become their own downfall - meaning their powers will be limited/removed.

Either that, or the direction of the movies goes down the personal route, e.g. Guardians of the Galaxy 2 (which I thought was among the weaker offerings in the MCU).

[Alvin Flummux]

So, we getting an Iron Woman movie, or what? Pepper Pots with her new suit should be doing something.

[mcjihge2]

Ive kind of got used to the delicate time travel now. But my other big question; Why did they reverse the thanos snap? Cap had moved on with his optimistic outlook. Banner had accepted the hulk, Ironman had a daughter and a cabin by the lake, Antman still had his daughter, Thor was drinking Irn Bru - Whats the problem? Yes, Black Widow was a bit sad, Jeremy Renner was a bit pissed off, but societey seemed to be functioning, there was no indication of political or economic melt down. Surely the halving of world population had taken pressure off, housing, food and energy supply? And this was then "spoiled" by a couple of the avengers deciding that they wanted to do time travel (just because they could). Shouldnt world governments have been consulted before they decided to reverse the snap? Maybe a bit more exposition that the world was actually a worse place was needed to justify the decision?

[Neph]

It shows how bad representation has been in these movies that the “girl power” scene feels “shoehorned”. Tonnes of scenes of men together fighting, charging and posing, one scene of women doing the same and it looks weird.

Still I think the worst of the internet are going to be too busy freaking out over SJWs forcing in a Black Captain America to worry about the girls.

My issue was none of there were remotely close in strength to Captain Marvel so as far as having back up goes, it wasn't convincing so felt cheesy. You only have Hulk and Thor on a similar level.

If Wonder Woman was back up, I'd believe she'd be a reasonable back up to Captain Marvel. And Wonder Woman is the best DC movie.

IMO thats utter bollocks.

Captain Marvel has a power for destruction on a massive Scale, destroying the warheads/ships in her own film and destroying Sancturay 2 in EG sure she has that and is epicly powerful. But a one on 1 with Thanos and she was good but not on the same level as Wanda. Wanda caused Thanos to destroy all his forces by having Sanctuary Fire down on them because he was about to be killed by a madly pissed Wanda. Plus She already proved she could hold off a Thanos with 5 stones with one hand in IW.

Wanda would have ended Thanos there and then if he had not rained hell down on them and for me proved she was the Most Powerful out there.

They couldn't have Cap Marvel in it too much anyway as she has just been Introduced. I did notice there seemed to be small spark between her and War machine which i believe may be a nod to the Comics.

I loved EG want to see it again when 2D IMAX hits, (Not going to watch the 3d bullshit)

Few questions for me:

We know that the Infinity stones can be handled, Strange handles the TimeStone in IW and everyone handles them in this, it appears just the powerstone causes massive damage. My query is with the Aether (Reality Stone), this was sucked out of Jane Foster with a special device yet at the end when Cap is taking the stones back the aether is a stone, so how the hell did he re-inject janefoster? He didn't have the same tool that Rocket had when getting it out of her.

The same can be said about the Tesseract, it was stolen as a cube and is now a raw stone, when replacing that at Shield HQ it would have needed to be the cube? So what gives?

Now that i have got my head round the fact that the TimeTravel does not do the butterfly effect and does not effect the future alot of the time travel sits better. The though of Gamora 2014 being alive though is interesting. As i assumed everyone was re-snapped but from the way i understand the snap it is determined by your thought process. As Hulk said he tried to bring Nat back when he snapped but was unable to, so the question is when Tony snapped what was he thinking?

Finally we knew that at least the first Black Widow film would be a pre-quel to see her life growing up and her backstory but my concern is, as every film has a 3 story arc (at least so far) are they really going to do 3 prequels? Or are we potentially in GOTG3 going to see both Nat and Gamora return somehow? So Black Widow 1 then GOTG3 and then BW2 so that the second film can be in the present.

[Moggy]

Ive kind of got used to the delicate time travel now. But my other big question; Why did they reverse the thanos snap? Cap had moved on with his optimistic outlook. Banner had accepted the hulk, Ironman had a daughter and a cabin by the lake, Antman still had his daughter, Thor was drinking Irn Bru - Whats the problem? Yes, Black Widow was a bit sad, Jeremy Renner was a bit pissed off, but societey seemed to be functioning, there was no indication of political or economic melt down. Surely the halving of world population had taken pressure off, housing, food and energy supply? And this was then "spoiled" by a couple of the avengers deciding that they wanted to do time travel (just because they could). Shouldnt world governments have been consulted before they decided to reverse the snap? Maybe a bit more exposition that the world was actually a worse place was needed to justify the decision?

Ahh so you are Thanos’ alt-account.

[OrangeRKN]

Saw this yesterday, had avoided all spoilers

What an absolutely fantastic and ridiculous film. It was dumb and heartfelt, gratuitous verging on fan fiction, and completely engaging. Far, far better than Infinity War and a near as perfect end as they could get to the whole saga.

I'm sure there are a million plot holes with time travel involved especially but it's a super hero film so that's a logic hole from the start.

Roll on Asgardians of the Galaxy

[Godzilla]

I think the effect of the snap wasn't explained enough hit it is a family film.... The world knew a space alien snapped his fingers and killed 50% of everything. So that single act would kill religion, belief systems and almost all belief in government. Those left would have to deal with guilt but also fear it could happen again. I think a TV show dealing with the 5 years would be fascinating but also pretty grim.

I think it will get referenced a lot though.

Also my theory is that cap changing history meant that shield or someone decided to combat the world threats and created mutants (like the ultimate universe in marvel)

Also IGN is the th and the worst for spoilers with headlines like how was cap able to use "that" weapon.

I saw an interesting post on twitter that said the don't spoil avengers hash tag was genius marketing as it created an urgency and made everyone rush out to see a film and give it a huge opening weekend.

[Tomous]

It shows how bad representation has been in these movies that the “girl power” scene feels “shoehorned”. Tonnes of scenes of men together fighting, charging and posing, one scene of women doing the same and it looks weird.

Still I think the worst of the internet are going to be too busy freaking out over SJWs forcing in a Black Captain America to worry about the girls.

My issue was none of there were remotely close in strength to Captain Marvel so as far as having back up goes, it wasn't convincing so felt cheesy. You only have Hulk and Thor on a similar level.

If Wonder Woman was back up, I'd believe she'd be a reasonable back up to Captain Marvel. And Wonder Woman is the best DC movie.

IMO thats utter bollocks.

Captain Marvel has a power for destruction on a massive Scale, destroying the warheads/ships in her own film and destroying Sancturay 2 in EG sure she has that and is epicly powerful. But a one on 1 with Thanos and she was good but not on the same level as Wanda. Wanda caused Thanos to destroy all his forces by having Sanctuary Fire down on them because he was about to be killed by a madly pissed Wanda. Plus She already proved she could hold off a Thanos with 5 stones with one hand in IW.

Wanda would have ended Thanos there and then if he had not rained hell down on them and for me proved she was the Most Powerful out there.

They couldn't have Cap Marvel in it too much anyway as she has just been Introduced. I did notice there seemed to be small spark between her and War machine which i believe may be a nod to the Comics.

I loved EG want to see it again when 2D IMAX hits, (Not going to watch the 3d bullshit)

Few questions for me:

We know that the Infinity stones can be handled, Strange handles the TimeStone in IW and everyone handles them in this, it appears just the powerstone causes massive damage. My query is with the Aether (Reality Stone), this was sucked out of Jane Foster with a special device yet at the end when Cap is taking the stones back the aether is a stone, so how the hell did he re-inject janefoster? He didn't have the same tool that Rocket had when getting it out of her.

The same can be said about the Tesseract, it was stolen as a cube and is now a raw stone, when replacing that at Shield HQ it would have needed to be the cube? So what gives?

Now that i have got my head round the fact that the TimeTravel does not do the butterfly effect and does not effect the future alot of the time travel sits better. The though of Gamora 2014 being alive though is interesting. As i assumed everyone was re-snapped but from the way i understand the snap it is determined by your thought process. As Hulk said he tried to bring Nat back when he snapped but was unable to, so the question is when Tony snapped what was he thinking?

Finally we knew that at least the first Black Widow film would be a pre-quel to see her life growing up and her backstory but my concern is, as every film has a 3 story arc (at least so far) are they really going to do 3 prequels? Or are we potentially in GOTG3 going to see both Nat and Gamora return somehow? So Black Widow 1 then GOTG3 and then BW2 so that the second film can be in the present.

Regarding the infinity stones, the Captain isn’t necessarily returning them to the exact same places. Banner was told they just had to return them to the reality to hold it together. He could in theory drop into the timeline and drop them wherever he thinks best.

One thing I’m not sure about though is how he gets to the correct place. If they have created alternative realities by the initial time travelling, how does the Captain go back to the 2012 where Loki has escaped and a new timeline has been formed rather than another 2012.

[Return_of_the_STAR]

One thing the ended has left me feeling is annoyed. Annoyed that we will have to wait at least a year longer than originally planned to see GOT3 due to the whole Gunn fiasco.

[Rax]

I left feeling satisfied at the end of that movie which I didnt expect, I was very worried that there would be no payoff, 10 years of buildup and they nailed the landing, very impressive. It really didnt feel like a 3 hour movie, either it moved at a great pace and I never felt the time dragging or anything.

[Corazon de Leon]

One thing the ended has left me feeling is annoyed. Annoyed that we will have to wait at least a year longer than originally planned to see GOT3 due to the whole Gunn fiasco.

I’m alright with that as long as the films coming out in the interim are of good quality. Spider-Man should be excellent, and then hopefully we’ll see an announcement of the next phase during the summer.