UNMARKED SPOILER THREAD - Avengers: Endgame - "Avenge the fallen"

[Gemini73]

"What! So Back to the Future is actually bullshit! "

[Joer]

Forgot to mention this, but is anyone else disappointed Sam got the shield rather than Bucky? Bucky just seems a better character and Sam tends to bore me when he’s on screen normally.

[Preezy]

Forgot to mention this, but is anyone else disappointed Sam got the shield rather than Bucky? Bucky just seems a better character and Sam tends to bore me when he’s on screen normally.

Bucky hasn't had any character since Winter Soldier. His character in the last 2 Avengers films seems to be "shoot unlimited ammo with your gun". Easiest acting job in the world.

But yeah Sam is a bit boring.

[Thrupneybithead]

So...what do we think the deal is with the tremors on Earth and thousands of other planets? It didn't seem to get mentioned again or explained away. Phase 4 setup?

[Corazon de Leon]

The tremors were caused by the use of the stones - they said that at the start of the conversation I think. They found Thanos at the start of the film by looking for the same energy signature that caused the tremors, I.e. him using the stones again.

[Moggy]

The tremors were caused by the use of the stones - they said that at the start of the conversation I think. They found Thanos at the start of the film by looking for the same energy signature that caused the tremors, I.e. him using the stones again.

Wrong.

Major future spoilers:

[That's not a growth]

So many great moments. But it's rules of time travel don't feel consistent to me. So were the avengers wrong with saying that it wasn't like BTTF, and in this changes can make a difference - like the ancient one said, and branch off to different timelines? I'm just trying to get my head around, for example, thanos jumps through time so stops existing in that time line, so wouldn't have done the first snap? But they really cared about putting the stones back to where they were?

[Moggy]

So many great moments. But it's rules of time travel don't feel consistent to me. So were the avengers wrong with saying that it wasn't like BTTF, and in this changes can make a difference - like the ancient one said, and branch off to different timelines? I'm just trying to get my head around, for example, thanos jumps through time so stops existing in that time line, so wouldn't have done the first snap? But they really cared about putting the stones back to where they were?

I guess Tony Stark’s snap would put Thanos back where he should be with no memory of what happened?

[Thrupneybithead]

The tremors were caused by the use of the stones - they said that at the start of the conversation I think. They found Thanos at the start of the film by looking for the same energy signature that caused the tremors, I.e. him using the stones again.

Weren't the tremors still happening after the time jump, though? Residual aftershocks, or something more? Seems odd that Okoye and Danvers would be investigating the phenomenon if they already had an explanation at that point.

[BID0]

It looks like I will be the only one. but did anyone think the pacing was weird? It felt a bit all over the place and a bit of a mess. I found it difficult to get in to the small amount of story that was actually there.

It's currently one of my lowest rated Marvel movies as it's essentially a 3 hour fanservice stuffed full of references to 20+ movies with about as good an ending as a Doctor Who episode. It's a movie you think you want but when you see it you realise why stuffing a movie full of easter eggs is a detriment to a story which was something I thought Infinity War managed to avoid. Perhaps a second viewing will change that for me.

[Moggy]

It looks like I will be the only one. but did anyone think the pacing was weird? It felt a bit all over the place and a bit of a mess. I found it difficult to get in to the small amount of story that was actually there.

It's currently one of my lowest rated Marvel movies as it's essentially a 3 hour fanservice stuffed full of references to 20+ movies with about as good an ending as a Doctor Who episode. It's a movie you think you want but when you see it you realise why stuffing a movie full of easter eggs is a detriment to a story which was something I thought Infinity War managed to avoid. Perhaps a second viewing will change that for me.

If you are putting it as one of your lowest rated Marvel movies then yeah I think you are going to be on your own.

[Tomous]

Can anyone explain the time travel to me. It they killed past Thanos how does the original snap happen? Is there anything I’ve missed beyond Banner saying it doesn’t work like other movies and the Ancient one talking about branched timelines. Are there two branched timelines now? The original MCU and now MCU up to 2014 then no Thanos.

[Hexx]

Can anyone explain the time travel to me. It they killed past Thanos how does the original snap happen? Is there anything I’ve missed beyond Banner saying it doesn’t work like other movies and the Ancient one talking about branched timelines. Are there two branched timelines now? The original MCU and now MCU up to 2014 then no Thanos.

Ok.

This basic version is "you can't change your past". Anything they do in the past won't change your present (because you already lived the past. It happened for you). . It's very different from most other media presenations of time travel. But the present is fixed. You can't change it, because it's you. If you take that as the starting point it largely makes sense.That's no cause/effect

That's why !PresentNebula could shoot !PastNebula without herself disappearing/changing. (And !PastThanos and his army were destroyed with no effect on our history)

The Ancient one explains it as if you change the past you make a new timeline (i]your[/i] timeline doesn't change). So when Bruce took the stone, he was making a new (darker) timeline for her world. That's why Bruce said they'd take the stone back to her.

So there's potentially many different timelines around now - 2012 Morag split, 1970s Tessect/Pym Splt, 2013 Ether Split etc (My guess is Doctor Strange 2 might explore them)

This only problem with the "past becomes different timelines" thing is that then how does Cap go back, make a different timeline where he stays....but then end up in our timeline at the end to pass on the shield?

(Edit This also means that even if Thor saved his mum, he'd have made a different timeline where she lived, when he came back she'd still be dead)

[Moggy]

Can anyone explain the time travel to me. It they killed past Thanos how does the original snap happen? Is there anything I’ve missed beyond Banner saying it doesn’t work like other movies and the Ancient one talking about branched timelines. Are there two branched timelines now? The original MCU and now MCU up to 2014 then no Thanos.

As with most things it probably makes zero sense if you try and analyse it. I just figure that when Tony clicked his fingers, it undid all of the problems/split timelines caused by past Thanos coming into the future. The only thing Stark couldn’t do was use the Infinity Stones to send the Stones themselves back in time, which is why Cap had to manually return them later on.

[Dual]

Past Thor must have been annoyed to find out future Thor came back to steal his hammer.

[Hexx]

Past Thor must have been annoyed to find out future Thor came back to steal his hammer.

Cap took that back with him too

[Dual]

Past Thor must have been annoyed to find out future Thor came back to steal his hammer.

Cap took that back with him too

Oh yeah!

[Tomous]

Past Thor must have been annoyed to find out future Thor came back to steal his hammer.

Cap took that back with him too

Can't believe I missed this.

When I saw he was taking the hammer I thought "oh he's taking the hammer incase he gets into trouble"

[Gemini73]

Can anyone explain the time travel to me. It they killed past Thanos how does the original snap happen? Is there anything I’ve missed beyond Banner saying it doesn’t work like other movies and the Ancient one talking about branched timelines. Are there two branched timelines now? The original MCU and now MCU up to 2014 then no Thanos.

As with most things it probably makes zero sense if you try and analyse it. I just figure that when Tony clicked his fingers, it undid all of the problems/split timelines caused by past Thanos coming into the future. The only thing Stark couldn’t do was use the Infinity Stones to send the Stones themselves back in time, which is why Cap had to manually return them later on.

Reminds of when they tried to explain the time line in Red Dwarf S7. Kryten kept blowing up the camera.

[Tomous]

Can anyone explain the time travel to me. It they killed past Thanos how does the original snap happen? Is there anything I’ve missed beyond Banner saying it doesn’t work like other movies and the Ancient one talking about branched timelines. Are there two branched timelines now? The original MCU and now MCU up to 2014 then no Thanos.

Ok.

This basic version is "you can't change your past". Anything they do in the past won't change your present (because you already lived the past. It happened for you). . It's very different from most other media presenations of time travel. But the present is fixed. You can't change it, because it's you. If you take that as the starting point it largely makes sense.That's no cause/effect

That's why !PresentNebula could shoot !PastNebula without herself disappearing/changing. (And !PastThanos and his army were destroyed with no effect on our history)

The Ancient one explains it as if you change the past you make a new timeline (i]your[/i] timeline doesn't change). So when Bruce took the stone, he was making a new (darker) timeline for her world. That's why Bruce said they'd take the stone back to her.

So there's potentially many different timelines around now - 2012 Morag split, 1970s Tessect/Pym Splt, 2013 Ether Split etc (My guess is Doctor Strange 2 might explore them)

This only problem with the "past becomes different timelines" thing is that then how does Cap go back, make a different timeline where he stays....but then end up in our timeline at the end to pass on the shield?

(Edit This also means that even if Thor saved his mum, he'd have made a different timeline where she lived, when he came back she'd still be dead)

This makes sense, or at least with the film's logic. I suppose they could also explore the timeline stuff with Fantastic Four.

Regarding the Cap thing, isn't it possible he still has his time travel device so returns to their timeline when he's older?