Better Call Saul - prequel to Breaking Bad. Series Finale out now on Netflix.

Barnsy! wrote: - I hope we don't see or hear of Kim next episode. I don't want that to be her final appearance, but it would be more effective if Saul lived his life and didn't speak of her, with Kim's presence hanging over us for an episode

I think that would be quite a powerful final appearance if we don't see her again so I kind of hope we don't. Although I trust the writers not to mess anything up if she does have more to play in the story.

Barnsy! wrote: - I wonder if that was Gus's last scene? Poignant and understated if it was. That was Gus at his most unguarded and authentic. He basically invited the guy back to try that wine, but took his response as a full rejection, then after finishing his wine and having a little moment to himself, realised he was too in love with Max and too filled with desire for revenge - he alone and this is his life now

Perhaps I need to watch that scene again but I didn't get the impression that Gus thought he was rejected, I thought it was clear the guy would have come back with him if asked. It is left quite open but I figured he left because he's too consumed with the idea of revenge, perhaps there is also an element of guilt there.

sawyerpip wrote:

Barnsy! wrote: - I hope we don't see or hear of Kim next episode. I don't want that to be her final appearance, but it would be more effective if Saul lived his life and didn't speak of her, with Kim's presence hanging over us for an episode

I think that would be quite a powerful final appearance if we don't see her again so I kind of hope we don't. Although I trust the writers not to mess anything up if she does have more to play in the story.

I see what you mean, but where Skylar kind of existed relative to Walt and I would think most weren't that interested in Skylars ending; Kim is not just Jimmy's partner and was as much of a main character as anyone else and we deserve to see how Kim ends up, not just how her not being there affects Jimmy.
In a way, I sort of agree though because its probably a fair assumption that away from Jimmy she would eventually be ok, even if she didn't go back to being a lawyer she would have reflected on the bad that she has done, grown and done well doing something else.

sawyerpip wrote:

Barnsy! wrote: - I wonder if that was Gus's last scene? Poignant and understated if it was. That was Gus at his most unguarded and authentic. He basically invited the guy back to try that wine, but took his response as a full rejection, then after finishing his wine and having a little moment to himself, realised he was too in love with Max and too filled with desire for revenge - he alone and this is his life now

Perhaps I need to watch that scene again but I didn't get the impression that Gus thought he was rejected, I thought it was clear the guy would have come back with him if asked. It is left quite open but I figured he left because he's too consumed with the idea of revenge, perhaps there is also an element of guilt there.

I think he was indicating they should go back to his to open the wine, but he was kind of shut down with 'I would love to hear about it after you drink it', then the wine guy changed the subject went to get something and possibly hoped the moment would have passed by the time he got back. The situation was salvageable, but I think Gus realised he didn't really want it anyway - and went from having an unguarded happy moment, to being fully back into world of grievance, violence and revenge and left

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Barnsy! wrote: - They normally do 10 episodes per season - next week is this season 10th episode! I wonder if they'll wrap up the pre-breaking bad stuff next episode than the final 3 episodes will be in the Gene timeline? I hope not to be honest!

I really hope they do. And I really hope they don't.

I just want this show to go on forever.

Me too. I was legit bummed out when BB ended - I seeking out those rubbish webisode extras and cheesy super bowl adverts with Bryan Cranston just to get a fix. Then BCS came along and was at least as good as BB, I've been grateful for every episode just see more of these characters in this universe. There's so much great TV but I don't think they will ever be a show that I love as much and am as invested in as BB / BCS.

Barnsy! wrote:Me too. I was legit bummed out when BB ended - I seeking out those rubbish webisode extras and cheesy super bowl adverts with Bryan Cranston just to get a fix. Then BCS came along and was at least as good as BB, I've been grateful for every episode just see more of these characters in this universe. There's so much great TV but I don't think they will ever be a show that I love as much and am as invested in as BB / BCS.

Fingers crossed for a Huell spinoff.

Photek wrote:Anyone else starting Breaking Bad after this?

I think I'd actually prefer to watch BCS all over again from the beginning first and then rewatch BB.

Latest episode was excellent. Just so emotional and the switch to that final scene was so well done.

I actually think that could've been the finale if we didn't need to know more of the post BB stuff.

Clarkman wrote:That was the first episode in all of Better Call Saul that almost felt rushed.

It was super rushed.

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Moggy wrote:I have no idea how far that jumped forward, but I'm assuming we are right at the start of Breaking Bad? It'll be interesting how they weave together BB stories in the remaining episodes. I'm hoping they spend a fair bit of time on post BB stuff as well.

Cracking episode. This show

There's episode stills on IMDB that answer one of your questions.

Yeah I saw those earlier

I couldn't help myself, despite being warned not to I had to have a look at IMDB too

Interestingly I also saw Daniel, the guy with the Hummer that Mike body guarded in the earlier seasons makes an appearance. I bet he becomes 'Danny' the unseen guy who owns the laser tag, that Saul was trying to get Walt to buy in BB

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Moggy wrote:

Lex-Man wrote:

Moggy wrote:I have no idea how far that jumped forward, but I'm assuming we are right at the start of Breaking Bad? It'll be interesting how they weave together BB stories in the remaining episodes. I'm hoping they spend a fair bit of time on post BB stuff as well.

Cracking episode. This show

There's episode stills on IMDB that answer one of your questions.

Yeah I saw those earlier

I couldn't help myself, despite being warned not to I had to have a look at IMDB too

Interestingly I also saw Daniel, the guy with the Hummer that Mike body guarded in the earlier seasons makes an appearance. I bet he becomes 'Danny' the unseen guy who owns the laser tag, that Saul was trying to get Walt to buy in BB

I'm always hyped for a new episode of BCS, but after [stupidly] reading that IMDB, this was like the most eagerly I've anticipated a piece of art ever! I know this is sad but I couldn't sleep last night waiting for this, I had a feeling of nausea in my stomach, excited and worried it wouldn't meet my impossible expectations. It was good but....
not the episode I was expecting! Was obviously expecting a Saul Goodman episode with 'those' cameos. So was that IMDB just total bullocks? Otherwise a Gene episode would have been quite welcome

Anyway, solid episode I'm not that invested in what happened to Jimmy, post BB - its cool seeing him in the Gene timeline for a few minutes here and there, but he's kind of got the ending he deserves; a watered down existence with some looking over his shoulder. The scam and being forced to push back has awoken Jimmy from the meek Gene has awakened the dominant scheming Saul persona. Guessing Jeffs mum is going to play quite a big part going forward, the mutually assured destruction probably will keep Jeff at bay, but the mum seemed nice, but pretty stern and also intelligent. She'll insert herself in Genes life, possibly because she thinks he will be a good influence on Jeff or she may already recognise him. Have a feeling the fictious dog may be end up being part of Gene's downfall

That was different and unexpected. A huge shift in tone from the rest of the season.

I liked it. But I think there will be complaints.

It legit freaked me out when the tape stopped

Moggy wrote:That was different and unexpected. A huge shift in tone from the rest of the season.

I liked it. But I think there will be complaints.

Yeah I liked it too. It feels strangely placed in the season though as I assume we're going to get at least one more episode with Gus and Mike.

No disrespect to the actor that was recast as Jeff....but I was quite looking forward to seeing the original actor.

In these scene;


the original actor nailed that thing of being a bit creepy, menacing allowing us the audience to feel Genes paranoia and uncertainty if the guy is giving a bully vibe or if he's just over familiar and awkward. Jeff just knowing who Gene is a threat in itself, but the original actor seemed more imposing - I presume that was always the intention that he would be revealed to be a bit of a dummy and not actually scary once stood upto. We only ever got to see the actor on the backfoot (by Gene showing up in his home with his mum) and then Gene kind of held all the cards.

The tension, humour and calibre of acting of the scene where the security guard has his back to the camera monitors whilst Gene is distracting him waiting for Jeff to regain consciousness summed up what this show is all about

Edit; I really wondered where they are going in the final 3 episodes on one hand everything is kind of resolved (except for Kim) on the other hand it could easily be stretched out for another season (though in BB the Jack / Nazi as antagonists to Walt didn't even start from 3 episodes from the end).

Of the seven main characters; Jimmy, Kim, Howard, Mike, Gus, Nacho, Lalo 5 of them are definitely dead at this point! Wouldn't have seen that coming at say the start of season 5.

I really liked that episode again the series is just fantastic at building tension

But did the whole episode really have to be in black and white tho

Jezo wrote:But did the whole episode really have to be in black and white tho

Haha, I quite liked it. The cinematography on this show is always so on point, I like it when they mess with the viewers expectations, like at the beginning of the season they usually open with a black and white scene but didn't with season 6 Ep 1, at the very beginning black and white ties fall on the white surface, so you are expecting a black&white flashforward then a load of coloured ties fall and reveals its not that and takes place at the end of Breaking Bad as Sauls home is being cleared. Similarly, I was expecting they was going to transition to colour in some cool way (maybe as its snowy it looks like black and white then its revealed to be colour or its starts with a single coloured object against black and white or everything turns to colour as Gene turns a corner). I can't explain it being in b&w just natually makes it more suspenseful and uncomfortable - almost like we the viewer aren't supposed to see it and like we're kind of complicit in whats going on on screen.

An obvious choice for an object to be shown in colour against b&w was that disgusting shirt he was holding at the end, its cool they didn't do this. There's some ambiguity [to me at least] with what they was trying to say with that scene - was it him looking at it and rejecting the Saul persona and fully embracing the Gene life he is living? was he wistfully looking at it mourning he can never go back to that life even he wanted to? or was it saying 'not now, but I am planning to a Saul like comeback later after this win'? There's nothing more impotent and pathetic than a garishly colourful shirt in black and white.

Just want to point out that Saul in Breaking Bad refers to having a 2nd wife who leaves him for his stepdad. These last 3 episodes are gonna be huge.

Jezo wrote:Just want to point out that Saul in Breaking Bad refers to having a 2nd wife who leaves him for his stepdad. These last 3 episodes are gonna be huge.

Kim is his third wife.

Jezo wrote:Just want to point out that Saul in Breaking Bad refers to having a 2nd wife who leaves him for his stepdad. These last 3 episodes are gonna be huge.

From Reddit:

In Season 5, episode 7. As Saul and Kim get quickly married. The clerk asks for proof of Saul’s previous marriages as “do you have proof of your two previous disillusions”.

I rewatched the opening scene at the beginning of this season



There was obviously loads of little things from BB and BCS, revealing Saul to be on some levels sentimental and a bit of a hoarder of certain things like; the trainers in multiple sizes he used to gift / con the old lady, old bingo balls from Sandpiper, poster of Kevins cowboy father from the bank.

On rewatch theres a couple of little things there we wouldn't know the significance of until after seeing this season - the beany baby he was going to give the court admin worker in Episode 4 and 'the keys to kingdom' little blackbook of all the underground people the vet had in episode 6 ironically tossed in a box marked 'no value'

Moggy wrote:

Jezo wrote:Just want to point out that Saul in Breaking Bad refers to having a 2nd wife who leaves him for his stepdad. These last 3 episodes are gonna be huge.

From Reddit:

In Season 5, episode 7. As Saul and Kim get quickly married. The clerk asks for proof of Saul’s previous marriages as “do you have proof of your two previous disillusions”.

Neat