Bitcoins and Other Crypto-currencies

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by coldspice » Fri Apr 16, 2021 2:21 pm

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Oblomov Boblomov wrote:Ether reached just over £1,850 during the night :shock: can't believe how quickly it's moved to tickling the £2k mark. Looks like a widespread transaction (withdrawals only) fault in Coinbase has caused a dip though and we're back down to £1,780 at the time of writing.

I actually can't remember the process when I signed up to Coinbase but it was incredibly quick. I'm guessing I would have used my driving licence. I was verified in a couple of minutes. However, one of my friends then did the same thing a few weeks later and it took over a week for his account to be verified...

I'm a bit surprised some of you are confused by the Pro UI. It's not a pleasing aesthetic, but if you're looking to withdraw your balance you literally just tap on the balance icon, then the 'Withdraw' option and it's very straightforward from there.


Yeah it seems easy enough to withdraw its just the rest of it, I guess if I'm just holding some for a bit them selling when I want to it is all overkill.

I think what I'm going to do is hold it in Coinbase "normal" as the interface is nicer for seeing how my few pots are doing and when I want to sell then transfer for coinbase pro as it is instant and free, then sell there to reduce on fees.

Just don't buy through the normal coinbase app, the fees are much higher than on Pro.

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PostRe: Bitcoins and Other Crypto-currencies
by Errkal » Fri Apr 16, 2021 2:24 pm

coldspice wrote:
Errkal wrote:
Oblomov Boblomov wrote:Ether reached just over £1,850 during the night :shock: can't believe how quickly it's moved to tickling the £2k mark. Looks like a widespread transaction (withdrawals only) fault in Coinbase has caused a dip though and we're back down to £1,780 at the time of writing.

I actually can't remember the process when I signed up to Coinbase but it was incredibly quick. I'm guessing I would have used my driving licence. I was verified in a couple of minutes. However, one of my friends then did the same thing a few weeks later and it took over a week for his account to be verified...

I'm a bit surprised some of you are confused by the Pro UI. It's not a pleasing aesthetic, but if you're looking to withdraw your balance you literally just tap on the balance icon, then the 'Withdraw' option and it's very straightforward from there.


Yeah it seems easy enough to withdraw its just the rest of it, I guess if I'm just holding some for a bit them selling when I want to it is all overkill.

I think what I'm going to do is hold it in Coinbase "normal" as the interface is nicer for seeing how my few pots are doing and when I want to sell then transfer for coinbase pro as it is instant and free, then sell there to reduce on fees.

Just don't buy through the normal coinbase app, the fees are much higher than on Pro.


Yeah any future stuff I buy will be on pro then transferred

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PostRe: Bitcoins and Other Crypto-currencies
by Hulohot » Fri Apr 16, 2021 2:55 pm

Doge leading the charge. 200 percent in the last 24 hours.

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PostRe: Bitcoins and Other Crypto-currencies
by Dual » Fri Apr 16, 2021 2:58 pm

How do I buy doge? I want to fly to the moon.

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by darksideby182 » Fri Apr 16, 2021 6:56 pm

Binance is worth a look and if you have a Revolut card you can buy Crypto in the app easily although they don't have much selection.

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by Meep » Fri Apr 16, 2021 11:46 pm

I started making some cryto when I realised I could run a program in the background on my PC for mining. The PSU is drawing power from wall anyway so I might as well turn some of it back into cash.

At the moment it seems to be making about £30 a month as it only runs when I am using my computer. Not much but it should mean my GPU effectively pays for itself in under two years.

I have so far resisted the urge to turn real money into crypto. I am about to make a major purchase (house) and don't want to go down that rabbit hole.

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by Choclet-Milk » Sat Apr 17, 2021 1:41 am

Thought I'd dip my toe in with Crypto.com and bought about £45 of Dogecoin, but I think I might have jumped the gun. I can't seem to sell crypto back for cash... :shifty:

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by BonalityMatrix » Sat Apr 17, 2021 4:48 pm

darksideby182 wrote:Binance is worth a look and if you have a Revolut card you can buy Crypto in the app easily although they don't have much selection.


I signed up to Binance and after figuring out how to purchase (buying USDT, then converting) I still have no idea how to transfer funds out of Binance and into my wallet client.

I also signed up to Probit and I can't even figure out how to buy. I signed up to this because I'm on a Facebook group that keeps shilling obscure coins that are worth a fraction of a penny, but end up pumping to 100x their value or whatever (VET, WIN, FREE, etc). I finally bought VET and WIN (spending £40 across the two) but I think I'm too late. I'm still in profit though.

My portfolio mainly consists of "normie" coins - it cost me just over £800 in all - now worth about £2,200. Not a bad little earner.

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PostRe: Bitcoins and Other Crypto-currencies
by BonalityMatrix » Sat Apr 17, 2021 5:30 pm

Skarjo wrote:Bitcoins are incredibly unstable, and they've crashed a few times. For some reason there's a lot of people who think that they're a long term investment which keeps fuelling these bubbles, but soon enough they'll crash again.


With the benefit of hindsight, this is hilarious! I bet you wish you'd spent £500 on them back then. I bloody know I do!

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by Lex-Man » Sat Apr 17, 2021 5:33 pm

BonalityMatrix wrote:
Skarjo wrote:Bitcoins are incredibly unstable, and they've crashed a few times. For some reason there's a lot of people who think that they're a long term investment which keeps fuelling these bubbles, but soon enough they'll crash again.


With the benefit of hindsight, this is hilarious! I bet you wish you'd spent £500 on them back then. I bloody know I do!


They keep getting more valuable over time. It actually boggles the mind and makes me feel sick as I mined bit coin back in 2010 and deleted my wallet and sold the computer with all the wallet on. I felt a bit sick when my friend told me he had £300 selling his, but the coin are worth approximately 4 million today.

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by satriales » Sat Apr 17, 2021 5:51 pm

It will all crash again, just look at everyone buying dogecoin. They are literally useless but people will buy anyway just because the price is going up. That's a huge crash waiting to happen.

I had a bitcoin years ago when it was <£1000 and don't have any regrets about getting out. Sure if I had kept it then it would now pay for my wedding but I would have never been able to hold through all of the dips for this long, and probably would have cashed out at £2k max anyway.

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by Lex-Man » Sat Apr 17, 2021 6:18 pm

I love that dogecoin is surging as it was literally made to provide idiots will buy anything.

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by jiggles » Sat Apr 17, 2021 6:32 pm

My only foray into crypto is a single purchase for a long hold. I bought £100 of 0x about 5 weeks ago, and that’s it. Trying to game the trades is a ridiculous risk, a fool’s roulette, and certainly not worth bothering in this volume. The environmental impact of crypto trading makes me strawberry floating sick to my stomach so I’m literally doing one buy, one sell and I’m done.

I’ll likely hold this for at least a decade. Life changing amount or bust. And yes, I know it’s hypocritical to even participate when I have such an objection to what this does to the planet I leave behind for my son and future generations, but if people are going to burn the world down anyway, I might as well claim a slice of the moonbucks.

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by Meep » Sat Apr 17, 2021 6:57 pm

Is there really a significant environmental impact? Computers are efficient machines and one, or any mining rig, in someone's home is going to be no worse than having an electric heater or oven throwing off the same heat. I'm sure there is some costs but it probably pales in comparison with other unnesccary activities. I'd say a cryto miner has a lot less to answer for than someone who takes multiple international flights a year (not that there are many people doing that atm). Also no one has ever suggested running computers just to play games or other unnesccary things was a waste of power.

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by coldspice » Sat Apr 17, 2021 7:19 pm

Meep wrote:Is there really a significant environmental impact? Computers are efficient machines and one, or any mining rig, in someone's home is going to be no worse than having an electric heater or oven throwing off the same heat. I'm sure there is some costs but it probably pales in comparison with other unnesccary activities. I'd say a cryto miner has a lot less to answer for than someone who takes multiple international flights a year (not that there are many people doing that atm). Also no one has ever suggested running computers just to play games or other unnesccary things was a waste of power.

This would be fair if mining was all done by people at home using their idle PCs, but Bitcoin in particular has mining operations which consist of 1000s of high power GPUs in Data Centres for the sole purpose of mining.

Bitcoin mining dwarves several countries in terms of power consumption.

Although, there should be more pressure on data centre operators to use greener energy sources. For instance, I used to work in a data centre which was 100% nuclear powered.

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by coldspice » Sat Apr 17, 2021 7:21 pm

jiggles wrote:My only foray into crypto is a single purchase for a long hold. I bought £100 of 0x about 5 weeks ago, and that’s it. Trying to game the trades is a ridiculous risk, a fool’s roulette, and certainly not worth bothering in this volume. The environmental impact of crypto trading makes me strawberry floating sick to my stomach so I’m literally doing one buy, one sell and I’m done.

I’ll likely hold this for at least a decade. Life changing amount or bust. And yes, I know it’s hypocritical to even participate when I have such an objection to what this does to the planet I leave behind for my son and future generations, but if people are going to burn the world down anyway, I might as well claim a slice of the moonbucks.

I try to stick to Proof of Stake based cryptos for this very reason, other than Ethereum which I'm hoping meets its target for migrating away from proof of work this year.

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by Grumpy David » Sat Apr 17, 2021 7:57 pm

coldspice wrote:
Meep wrote:Is there really a significant environmental impact? Computers are efficient machines and one, or any mining rig, in someone's home is going to be no worse than having an electric heater or oven throwing off the same heat. I'm sure there is some costs but it probably pales in comparison with other unnesccary activities. I'd say a cryto miner has a lot less to answer for than someone who takes multiple international flights a year (not that there are many people doing that atm). Also no one has ever suggested running computers just to play games or other unnesccary things was a waste of power.

This would be fair if mining was all done by people at home using their idle PCs, but Bitcoin in particular has mining operations which consist of 1000s of high power GPUs in Data Centres for the sole purpose of mining.

Bitcoin mining dwarves several countries in terms of power consumption.

Although, there should be more pressure on data centre operators to use greener energy sources. For instance, I used to work in a data centre which was 100% nuclear powered.


If it was entirely renewable or nuclear fission powered that wouldn't be so bad but most bitcoin mining is done in China and the majority of their electricity is produced from coal.

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by jiggles » Sat Apr 17, 2021 8:28 pm

Meep wrote:Is there really a significant environmental impact? Computers are efficient machines and one, or any mining rig, in someone's home is going to be no worse than having an electric heater or oven throwing off the same heat. I'm sure there is some costs but it probably pales in comparison with other unnesccary activities. I'd say a cryto miner has a lot less to answer for than someone who takes multiple international flights a year (not that there are many people doing that atm). Also no one has ever suggested running computers just to play games or other unnesccary things was a waste of power.


We aren’t just talking about some dude running his PC all day and night, though. The majority of the work done in mining is done in massive farms like this:


The electricity used to power these things globally is more than the consumption of entire countries for *everything*, and it’s only growing and growing.

And it’s all for... nothing. Not for providing a service or entertainment. Not lighting a street or heating a home, cooking a meal, washing your clothes. Not transporting a person or construction. It’s for entering a lottery to receive a make-believe token that we collectively (for now) have agreed has value, simply and entirely because it’s hard to get.

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PostRe: Bitcoins and Other Crypto-currencies
by jiggles » Sat Apr 17, 2021 8:52 pm

Or to put it another way, it takes about 20GWh of juice to make one Bitcoin. That’s more energy than I would use in my household in over 10,000 years.

One Bitcoin is made every 10 minutes

And that’s just bitcoin!

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by Rocsteady » Sat Apr 17, 2021 9:03 pm

Put like that it's an absolute disaster, isn't it? If humans survive centuries down the line, it's things like they'll point to as to why the planet is now significantly less habitable than it used to be.

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