[Red Tribe chat] TRIBE VS TRIBE

[Herdanos]

Cuttooth
Memento Mori
mic
Mommy
Nun
RetroCora
Sprouty
SuperChris

You are the Blue Tribe Red Tribe.

This is your own private thread - only you and I can see this.
(Bear in mind this thread will be made public at the end of the game!)
You are welcome to use an alternative method of communication if you wish.
Rules and objectives are given in the Signup Thread and will later be included in the OP of the Game Thread.
I intend to create the main Game Thread on Sunday night or Monday morning, but I'll let you know when it's live - at which point the game will begin.
While I'll definitely be keeping an eye on your chat as and when I can (hope that's OK!), please can I ask that you PM me as per the ruleset for any important decisions. This way I won't miss them.
I'm talking about: claiming powers; using powers; anything related to Contests; and weekend vote kills.
Bear in mind the rules - any and all members of the tribe speak for the collective.
As such I will count the first relevant response via PM from any of you as your Tribe's official response (apart from weekend vote kills, where you each speak for yourselves).
Before the official start of the game, please can you choose a Tribe name and let me know. This will be public.
Have fun, and good luck!

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[Sprouty]

Hey all! This is without doubt, the winning Tribe right here. Looking forward to this!

Dan, are we free to discuss tactics here before the game starts proper?

Tribe name suggestions:

'I vote to interrogate myself'
'Blue Tribe'
'Parksey's Warriors'
'Bladeforce Reincarnate'

[RetroCora]

Might be worth getting a Whatsapp set up, so we're not potentially giving away activity on the forum etc.

[Herdanos]

Dan, are we free to discuss tactics here before the game starts proper?

Absolutely.

[Sprouty]

Might be worth getting a Whatsapp set up, so we're not potentially giving away activity on the forum etc.

I'll pm you my number! If everyone is happy to do the same, we're sorted.

[Sprouty]

For convenience...

FULL RULES FOR TRIBE VS TRIBE

All times given are BST

GAME STRUCTURE

1a: At the start of the game, all PLAYERS are secretly divided into TRIBES. All players know who is on their Tribe.
1b: Each weekday, in the game thread, all players should vote on a player to "INTERROGATE". The most nominated player (with the majority of votes) is then selected as that day's SUSPECT.
1c: Once a Suspect is chosen, all other players must then (also in the game thread) vote for the tribe they think today's suspect belongs to. The most popular selection "wins".
1d: At the end of the day it'll be revealed whether the Suspect does indeed belongs to the majority-selected tribe. (If they don't, their Tribe is not revealed.) If they do, each player who voted "correctly" gains a point for their tribe, and the Suspect cannot ever be chosen as a Suspect again.
1e: Players who correctly vote that a Suspect is a member of their own tribe do not receive points for doing so. (You can still vote this way if you wish, though.)
1f: Tribe point scores are always public - so try to work with your tribe to ensure you don't give yourself away unknowingly, through your collective actions!
1g: There is no hierarchy within Tribes - any and all members can and do speak for the collective. As such, where any decisions are required through PM, I will accept the first relevant response from any Tribe member.

WEEKDAY CYCLE

- Public, in-thread vote to interrogate
- Deadline is 2pm, and Suspect selected
- Then, public, in-thread vote on Suspect's tribe
- Deadline is 9pm, after which outcome is revealed

WEEKENDS

2a: At the weekend, all Suspects (up to five players) from the prior week are "at risk" (regardless of whether their tribal allegiance was identified)
2b: All players PM me which one player they want to KILL (remove from the game). The two most voted for players are killed (removed).
2c: Killed players can no longer post in the game thread or contact their tribe at all.

WEEKEND CYCLE

- Private (PM me) vote to kill ONE of the "eligible" candidates
- Deadline is 2pm Sunday
- The two players with the most votes are eliminated from the game.

POWERS

3a: Tribes can EARN powers.
3b: If all living tribe members post in the game thread on three consecutive days, they may earn one KILL, which can be used at any time.
3c: Killed players are killed immediately. (Bear in mind I'll not be watching the thread 24/7, though.)
3d: When a player is killed by another tribe, the killing tribe remains secret, unless...
3e: ... the killed player's tribe is publicly known (i.e. they've been successfully interrogated as such) in which case the killing tribe receives points (see rule 1f)
3f: If all living tribe members post in the game thread on two consecutive days, they may earn one "SAVE".
3g: The save can be assigned at any time to protect one specific player from one kill attempt (this excludes the weekend vote kill).
3h: Tribes must therefore decide when and if to redeem their consecutive days for powers.
3i: It's on you to check if you've accrued consecutive days; I may not be able to keep track all the time, though if any tribe claims to have earned a power and wishes to redeem it, I WILL check this before "awarding" the power.
3j: A day is 12am to 12am.
3k: If a kill attempt is made on a player who benefits simultaneously from both Safety and a Save (for example, a player who a Save was assigned to, whose tribe subsequently won a contest), then whichever of these was assigned most recently would be "broken" first by the kill attempt (so in the aforementioned example, this kill attempt would break the safety but leave the save intact).

CONTESTS

4a: Once a week there will be a CONTEST. (I also reserve the right to call random BONUS CONTESTS)
4b: The tribe that wins the contest earns extra points for doing so, but they also earn SAFETY - meaning their tribe will be immune from that coming weekend's vote kills, even if one (or more) of their number is "at risk". So even if a member of their tribe receives the most votes that weekend, they will not be killed - another player at risk would take their place (the player with the next most votes).
4c: However, if a kill attempt is made on one of their tribe before the weekend vote, their safety will be broken.
4d: The winning tribe will be known publicly each week, but its members will not.
4e: (Bonus contests would earn their victors points but no safety.)

DOMINANCE

5a: If at any point, one tribe's players equal or outnumber the remaining player base, they will achieve DOMINANCE, and the game ends. The dominant tribe at the end earns extra points.
5b: Be careful - there are rumours of a "lone wolf".
5c: Would the game be easier to play as a solo player than in a tribe? Only time will tell…
5d: [Please bear in mind: (a) lone wolf (/wolves) will have a different trigger condition to achieve Dominance, as well as having different points allocations than those stated below]
5e: At the end of the game, the tribe with the most points wins!

POINTS

- Correctly identify a player’s tribe - one point per ‘vote’
- Kill a player whose tribe is known - two points
- Win a contest - four points
- Achieve dominance - ten points

DON’T…

6a: Dead players absolutely must not post in the game thread. If you do it you will see your team deducted points.
6b: I may show a degree of leniency to obvious innocent breaches of this rule i.e. someone several days out-of-the-loop posting "to show activity" genuinely without realising they're dead. But I am inclined to view these dimly and reserve the right to deduct points here too.
6c: Dead players also absolutely must not discuss the game with anyone outside of the dead thread. This includes members of your tribe. If you're dead, stick to the dead thread.
6d: Obviously this rule is much harder for me to police, so I can only ask: please, don't do it. It is totally against the spirit of the game and it ruins it for others. don't be a dick.
6e: If an action, tactic, strategy etc is not explicitly referred to within these rules, players are free to presume that this means the action etc. in question is not prohibited
6f: I will respond to PMs, and where asked in the thread I will clarify points I think need clarifying, particularly early in the game. However, if a query goes unanswered, please presume this is because I consider the matter settled, or cannot give further clarity without affecting the game.

[Sprouty]

So I wanted to talk specifically about the suspect voting as getting the right tactic for this is going to be a huge part of the game. Apologies if this is obvious to everyone, but I wanted to make sure we don't slip up!

1b: Each weekday, in the game thread, all players should vote on a player to "INTERROGATE". The most nominated player (with the majority of votes) is then selected as that day's SUSPECT.
1c: Once a Suspect is chosen, all other players must then (also in the game thread) vote for the tribe they think today's suspect belongs to. The most popular selection "wins".
1d: At the end of the day it'll be revealed whether the Suspect does indeed belongs to the majority-selected tribe. (If they don't, their Tribe is not revealed.) If they do, each player who voted "correctly" gains a point for their tribe, and the Suspect cannot ever be chosen as a Suspect again.
1e: Players who correctly vote that a Suspect is a member of their own tribe do not receive points for doing so. (You can still vote this way if you wish, though.)
1f: Tribe point scores are always public - so try to work with your tribe to ensure you don't give yourself away unknowingly, through your collective actions!

The most likely outcome each day (3/4) is that the interrogated player does not belong to the suspect Tribe. In this case, everyone in the game is aware of this information, that Player X does not belong to the suspected Tribe. Some information is gained, but not a ton on it's own and no points are awarded for the vote.

However, there are possible outcomes whereby the vote could cause us major problems and be at a cost to our Tribe, even if one of our own players are not on the ballot.

A simple example would be that all 8 of us (Tribe A) vote the same way (the suspect belongs to Tribe C), along with one other person from another tribe (Tribe B). Tribe C & D all vote differently, placing no votes suspecting Tribe C. We get the majority on the vote and secure eight points, whilst Tribe B receives 1 point and Tribe C & D receive none. As these points are made public and Tribe B know the identity of their own player voting, they immediately know the identity of our entire team, whilst we know the identity of one person from Tribe B (in addition to the player who was successfully interrogated). Tribe C & D know that 8 of the 9 players were from Tribe A and 1 was from Tribe B. These 8 points give us a numerical advantage, but at huge risk, as we would then likely be put up as suspects the following days to all but guarantee points for the other Tribes, and for double point kills once confirmed. I think it's unlikely that as a group of players we'd use the tactic I've described there, but it's the simplest example of how we could trip ourselves up.

In the above scenario, Tribe C could have tried to swing the vote in another direction (option a), or place some votes with the majority (option b) and gleam information which the rest of the players are not aware of. If they felt they could not sway the vote so went for option b and placed three of their own votes against the suspect as their own Tribe, the points allocation would remain the same as they gain no points for this, but they would gain the advantage of knowing that 9 players belonged to two tribes (8 in Tribe A and 1 in Tribe B). Tribe D would lose out in this scenario, as they gained no points and are the least informed due to the three dummy votes. All players can deduce that the players who voted correctly were not in Tribe D.

I hope that makes sense. I've wanted to discuss it since I read the rules so thought I'd get the conversation started. I guess my key thought at this stage is that it's important that we spread our votes in the early days, but I'm keen to hear tactics as I'm sure I'm not the only one who's been thinking about this! Rest assured, there will be spreadsheets tracking all of this once we get going!

[Mommy Christmas]

Whatsapp group sounds good. Cora has my number so it's all systems go.

[Nun]

Seems like a strong team, glad we have Sprouty as I was thinking their stats would be a huge asset for catching members of the other tribes later on so I would have been gunning for them were we not on the same team

I'm surprised that there is just 4 tribes, I was thinking that there would be more like 5/6 although I suppose that would make for a slow start to the game.

[Memento Mori]

Hey all! This is without doubt, the winning Tribe right here. Looking forward to this!

Dan, are we free to discuss tactics here before the game starts proper?

Tribe name suggestions:

'I vote to interrogate myself'
'Blue Tribe'
'Parksey's Warriors'
'Bladeforce Reincarnate'

I suspect any variant of Bladeforce points people toward me and Ob Bob. I could play it as a double bluff.

Whatsapp group sounds good. Cora has my number so it's all systems go.

Yeah I'm already in the GRCade Whatsapp group so feel free to add me to this.

[RetroCora]

Will do. For names, I'd recommend "BLUE TRIBE" or something insanely generic, that gives nothing away as to who we might be. Failing that, the "GRC Bladeforce Man City CSC Comic Book Enthusiasts Feat. Cuttooth, mic and Nun" group might be a shout to keep us under the radar.

[Sprouty]

I'm happy with Blue Tribe unless somebody has a huge preference.
I didn't know Mori was so closely associated with Bladeforce, so that suggestion is probably a no go. I like the idea of naming ourselves after a player not in our team, though that's probably a joke that would be funny for about 5 minutes! Blue Tribe is beautiful in it's simplicity. Though we could really mess with the other teams and call ourselves 'Red Tribe'. Imagine the confusion.

Re team sizes. There are 32 players. We are a team of 8, so you'd assume there are four tribes of equal size (8 x 4 = 32). But the rules discuss a lone wolf / wolves. I'm curious as to the implications of this. It could mean each team has a wolf sat within them, or the lone wolf/wolves may simply have been dropped due to player numbers. I'd be doubtful that we would have tribes of varying sizes. Just something to be aware of at this stage.

[Nun]

I reckon naming our team after another player might be an amusing Day 1 distraction as given how previous games have gone I wouldn't be surprised if the town ends up putting them up as a suspect just because they have nothing else to go on and don't want to feel they've been potentially double bluffed by that player.

I do also agree with Sprouty that I wonder if we have a betrayer/godfather type of role in each team who wants to take control at the end perhaps? If there's one in any team I imagine that there would be one in every team for game balance perhaps? I assume nobody has got any powers or roles they'd be willing to share at this point?

[Sprouty]

I reckon naming our team after another player might be an amusing Day 1 distraction as given how previous games have gone I wouldn't be surprised if the town ends up putting them up as a suspect just because they have nothing else to go on and don't want to feel they've been potentially double bluffed by that player.

I do also agree with Sprouty that I wonder if we have a betrayer/godfather type of role in each team who wants to take control at the end perhaps? If there's one in any team I imagine that there would be one in every team for game balance perhaps? I assume nobody has got any powers or roles they'd be willing to share at this point?

Definitely no special role for me. The rules suggest no special outside of lone wolf, so I doubt anyone will come forward!

A benefit of naming ourselves after a player in another team is we can place some votes for our own team on day one, assuming the person we name ourselves after is put up as suspect. Everyone will be analysing voting patterns, so we need to ensure that none of us vote for the other three tribes on a daily basis (i.e. a player who has suspected 3 other tribes two times over 6 votes is highly likely in the tribe which they have not suspected).

Each player needs to vote for their own team roughly one in four days, or voting patterns will give the game away. We can't all simply lump our votes for our own team on day four either, so it's something we need to think through as a team. Personally I'd pot our votes as 2 for each team from the start. Play the game of averages, whilst keeping our own identities protected. This changes if there's an absolute landslide of votes.

[RetroCora]

I quite like the idea of naming ourselves "Red team" or after another player or something like that. As ridiculous as it sounds, we've got two prominent City supporters in our team and there's absolutely nothing to say that some mentalist won't think "Blue...City...MOMMY!" or something completely accidental.

Nobody will fall for the player thing, is the only thing I'd say - it's a really obvious ploy. With that said, stranger things have happened.

In terms of voting and keeping up with the thread, I'm going to be *extremely* busy this week as it's the first week of semester and that's always *utter mayhem.* Happy to be told who to vote for, what to say and when to say it.

[Sprouty]

I quite like the idea of naming ourselves "Red team" or after another player or something like that. As ridiculous as it sounds, we've got two prominent City supporters in our team and there's absolutely nothing to say that some mentalist won't think "Blue...City...MOMMY!" or something completely accidental.

Nobody will fall for the player thing, is the only thing I'd say - it's a really obvious ploy. With that said, stranger things have happened.

In terms of voting and keeping up with the thread, I'm going to be *extremely* busy this week as it's the first week of semester and that's always *utter mayhem.* Happy to be told who to vote for, what to say and when to say it.

I'll aim to keep a vote tally going in the thread each day so we can see what's going on. The key thing will be everyone hitting their one post per day!

I guess we should get the Tribe name started before anything else...

For the pure confusion it will cause those who are no doubt sat in a current 'Red Tribe Thread'..

"Red Tribe" (1) - Sprouty

[RetroCora]

I quite like the idea of naming ourselves "Red team" or after another player or something like that. As ridiculous as it sounds, we've got two prominent City supporters in our team and there's absolutely nothing to say that some mentalist won't think "Blue...City...MOMMY!" or something completely accidental.

Nobody will fall for the player thing, is the only thing I'd say - it's a really obvious ploy. With that said, stranger things have happened.

In terms of voting and keeping up with the thread, I'm going to be *extremely* busy this week as it's the first week of semester and that's always *utter mayhem.* Happy to be told who to vote for, what to say and when to say it.

I'll aim to keep a vote tally going in the thread each day so we can see what's going on. The key thing will be everyone hitting their one post per day!

I guess we should get the Tribe name started before anything else...

For the pure confusion it will cause those who are no doubt sat in a current 'Red Tribe Thread'..

"Red Tribe" (2) - Sprouty, Cora

[SuperChris]

Hey guys, i'm ok with whatever you decide for the name! Please can i have an invite to the whatsapp group though? My number is <removed>.. thanks! ^_^
I'll delete my number after..

[Herdanos]

Can I ask for your final decision on a Tribe name by 5pm tomorrow, please

[Nun]

"Red Tribe" (2) - Sprouty, Cora
"Frank, as in the forum member Frank, goes to Hollywood" (1) - Nun