Brexit Thread 2

[Winckle]

twitter.com/alstewitn/status/1085871473531613185

Every day in every way the Lib Dems get shitter and shitter.

Well it wouldn't be the first time the Lib Dems kept the Tories in power for the sake of a referendum.

[Moggy]

Is this the peak of anti-Corbyn insanity? "I'm so angry that Corbyn won't oppose brexit, I'm going to vote to keep Theresa May in power!"

It’s nowhere near the peak. And it’s not insanity to not support Corbyn or May.

I like my local Labour MP, but like Corbyn less and less as time goes on. And I wasn’t a big fan at the start.

But I live in an area where the Tory’s have zero chance, so I can vote Lib Dem or Green and not risk a Tory getting in.

[Tineash]

Well, given that
a) you're not vince cable
and
b) you're not voting to keep theresa may in power
I don't think you've really grasped my point but OK

[Tineash]

twitter.com/PickardJE/status/1085863854654046208

Sarcasm aside, what the strawberry float are they going to talk about?

These are the talks that are so serious, Cable has to scold Corbyn for not participating.

[Pedz]

twitter.com/PickardJE/status/1085863854654046208

Sarcasm aside, what the strawberry float are they going to talk about?

The weather.

[Benzin]

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-46891186

I did wonder what the situation would be regarding driving abroad, so guess we can add this to the list of things that will take longer for Brits to do...

Wonder how many people will get caught out with this when going on their cheap wino run at Calais?

[KK]

If nothing else people around the world are getting much amusement/enjoyment from the soap opera that is parliament, in particular from Bercow...

twitter.com/tagesschau/status/1085610253922828289

[Dual]

Love Bercow

[captain red dog]

It sounds like Benn is actually sticking to the front bench line for once and saying that no deal has to be taken off the table to negotiate. I don't see how any meaningful discussions can take place whilst May has her finger on the nuclear button.

[Tineash]

twitter.com/bbclaurak/status/1085929417216528384

Shame on Corbyn for refusing to take part in this productive discussion until No Deal is ruled out.. etc..

[Tafdolphin]

Love Bercow

I was genuinely sad when all those stories of him being an abusive bullying tosser came out

[Rocsteady]

Well, given that
a) you're not vince cable
and
b) you're not voting to keep theresa may in power
I don't think you've really grasped my point but OK

I know you've got a hard on for the Lib Dems but this is such a stupid oversimplification. We've just seen that LD voting with Labour in a no confidence vote won't bring down the government.

I agree that we can't just have no confidence motion after no confidence motion at this point, we have to be moving on to somewhere more constructive. At this point Labour should be more vocally shifting towards either a realistic softer brexit (not their current fantasy proposal) or a second referendum.

I think an agreement closer to Norway's arrangement is the only one which could carry a vote in parliament. There are more remainer MPs in parliament than there are leavers. This needs to be capitalised on.

[Rocsteady]

Love Bercow

I was genuinely sad when all those stories of him being an abusive bullying tosser came out

Yeah he seems like a piece of gooseberry fool unfortunately.

[Moggy]

Love Bercow

I was genuinely sad when all those stories of him being an abusive bullying tosser came out

Yeah he seems like a piece of gooseberry fool unfortunately.

He’s improved a hell of a lot since his early days.

As a young activist, Bercow was a member of the right-wing Conservative Monday Club. He stood as a candidate for the club's national executive in 1981 with a manifesto calling for a programme of "assisted repatriation" of immigrants, and became secretary of its immigration and repatriation committee.[15] However, at the age of 20 he left the club, citing the views of many of the club's members as his reason,[16] and has since then called his participation in the club "utter madness" and dismissed his views from that period as "bone headed".[15]

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Bercow

He’s still a piece of gooseberry fool though.

[Cuttooth]

Is this the peak of anti-Corbyn insanity? "I'm so angry that Corbyn won't oppose brexit, I'm going to vote to keep Theresa May in power!"

Saw someone describe the stance of demanding No Deal being taken off the table as "being in a bus being driven off a cliff and demanding gravity be taken off the table," which is a proper good twist of an analogy in order to criticise Corbyn because he isn't backing the People's Vote (he ought to but that's besides the point).

It's like someone demanding the bus driver steers clear of the strawberry floating cliff for one thing, which is precisely the starting point we all want.

[tolrag]

Is this the peak of anti-Corbyn insanity? "I'm so angry that Corbyn won't oppose brexit, I'm going to vote to keep Theresa May in power!"

Saw someone describe the stance of demanding No Deal being taken off the table as "being in a bus being driven off a cliff and demanding gravity be taken off the table," which is a proper good twist of an analogy in order to criticise Corbyn because he isn't backing the People's Vote (he ought to but that's besides the point).

It's like someone demanding the bus driver steers clear of the strawberry floating cliff for one thing, which is precisely the starting point we all want.

No, the other person had it right, No Deal is the default outcome and cannot be taken off the table. Cannot as in physically impossible.

A similar level of delusion has been seen regarding the Irish backstop, the backstop was meant to be an absolute last resort and could not be ruled out. Brexiters made no effort to deliver on their own promised solutions and wasted time instead demanding the backstop be removed.

As the situation stands now, May intends to keep pushing Her deal ,knowing that it won't get through parliament, and Corbyn intends to keep calling VNOC's which he knows won't get enough votes. The most charitable reading of both their actions is insanity, the more likely reason is that both are running out the clock to get their preferred outcome (No Deal).

[Cuttooth]

No, the other person had it right, No Deal is the default outcome and cannot be taken off the table. Cannot as in physically impossible.

It's the default outcome if nobody in charge does anything to prevent it.

"To prevent the UK from leaving the European Union without a withdrawal agreement, this government will propose a bill that would revoke Article 50 in the instance that Parliament votes down a second withdrawal agreement vote."

Easy. Or reworded into whatever actual realistic and legal proposal the government would put forward.

Labour, Lib Dems, and the SNP are all effectively demanding some kind of preventative measure is in place to stop No Deal from happening, I don't get why that's a big deal, other than it isn't in the internal interests of the Tory party.

The Chancellor seems to be trying to tell big business leaders that this is on the cards anyway.

[tolrag]

It's the default outcome if nobody in charge does anything to prevent it.

"To prevent the UK from leaving the European Union without a withdrawal agreement, this government will propose a bill that would revoke Article 50 in the instance that Parliament votes down a second withdrawal agreement vote."

Which is an action. Corbyn is not demanding action be taken (let alone proposing anything). He's just demanding that the only guaranteeable outcome be ruled out.

[Lagamorph]

The only way to take No Deal off the table is to basically pass May's deal, but then continue trying to get something better from her between now and March 29th.

[Moggy]

twitter.com/nigel_farage/status/1085821598391771136

The daft prick doesn’t even realise that he’s made it sound far worse.