Brexit Thread 2

[Photek]

Hang on, KK isn't actually a UKIP supporter, is he?

Wouldn't surprise me if he was tbh...

He posts pro leave stuff/EU is going to collapse malarky all the time.

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6. Northern Ireland passes the tipping point and border poll leads to negotiations for Irish unification, largely for the same reasons that Scotland voted for independence.

No offence but don't want DUP types in our government, we're doing fine as is.

[Rax]

6. Northern Ireland passes the tipping point and border poll leads to negotiations for Irish unification, largely for the same reasons that Scotland voted for independence.

No offence but don't want DUP types in our government, we're doing fine as is.

gooseberry fool, I never even considered that, unification means those strawberry floaters could take up a seat in the Dáil.

[more heat than light]

I wouldn't bother, but if you want to then clause (9) of the following is where it defines the 3 month rule:

https://eur-lex.europa.eu/LexUriServ/LexUriServ.do?uri=OJ:L:2004:158:0077:0123:en:PDF

Steve... you are so wrong.

1) Clause 9 doesn’t deal with the 3 month rule you mentioned at all. Clause 9 simply means that you can’t live in a country for more than 3 months without registering. So for example, if you live in Belgium or France, you’re required to register and get an ID card within 3 months. That has absolutely nothing to do with deportations. The only other EU law (not Clause 9 which you’ve totally misapplied and I’ve no idea how because even the wording doesnt come close) pertaining to deportations is when the individual has become a ‘burden’ on the welfare system. The legal definition of being a burden is yet to be decided. Clause 9 that you mention related to registering as a person resident there and following administrative formalities. In other words, you’re not allowed to live somewhere for more than 3 months without following administrative procedures relevant to that jurisdiction.

So you’re completely wrong on that. Still, I am sure as a reasonable guy you’ll stand corrected...

EDIT - Just noticed on his Facebook page it lists his job as 'Accredited Parlimentary Assistant at European Parliament'. Backing out now....

[Jenuall]

I wouldn't bother, but if you want to then clause (9) of the following is where it defines the 3 month rule:

https://eur-lex.europa.eu/LexUriServ/LexUriServ.do?uri=OJ:L:2004:158:0077:0123:en:PDF

Steve... you are so wrong.

1) Clause 9 doesn’t deal with the 3 month rule you mentioned at all. Clause 9 simply means that you can’t live in a country for more than 3 months without registering. So for example, if you live in Belgium or France, you’re required to register and get an ID card within 3 months. That has absolutely nothing to do with deportations. The only other EU law (not Clause 9 which you’ve totally misapplied and I’ve no idea how because even the wording doesnt come close) pertaining to deportations is when the individual has become a ‘burden’ on the welfare system. The legal definition of being a burden is yet to be decided. Clause 9 that you mention related to registering as a person resident there and following administrative formalities. In other words, you’re not allowed to live somewhere for more than 3 months without following administrative procedures relevant to that jurisdiction.

So you’re completely wrong on that. Still, I am sure as a reasonable guy you’ll stand corrected...

I did say I wouldn't bother!

The relevant directives regarding freedom of movement and the free movement of workers set out a whole set of restrictions and requirements that can be used to enact a very sensible set of rules to control migration, but explaining that to this person seems like a doomed endeavour.

[Moggy]

I wouldn't bother, but if you want to then clause (9) of the following is where it defines the 3 month rule:

https://eur-lex.europa.eu/LexUriServ/LexUriServ.do?uri=OJ:L:2004:158:0077:0123:en:PDF

Steve... you are so wrong.

1) Clause 9 doesn’t deal with the 3 month rule you mentioned at all. Clause 9 simply means that you can’t live in a country for more than 3 months without registering. So for example, if you live in Belgium or France, you’re required to register and get an ID card within 3 months. That has absolutely nothing to do with deportations. The only other EU law (not Clause 9 which you’ve totally misapplied and I’ve no idea how because even the wording doesnt come close) pertaining to deportations is when the individual has become a ‘burden’ on the welfare system. The legal definition of being a burden is yet to be decided. Clause 9 that you mention related to registering as a person resident there and following administrative formalities. In other words, you’re not allowed to live somewhere for more than 3 months without following administrative procedures relevant to that jurisdiction.

So you’re completely wrong on that. Still, I am sure as a reasonable guy you’ll stand corrected...

EDIT - Just noticed on his Facebook page it lists his job as 'Accredited Parlimentary Assistant at European Parliament'. Backing out now....

He’s a Parlimentary Assistant at the European Parliament and he’s a Leaver?

[more heat than light]

Apparently.

[Jenuall]

Being a parliamentary assistant doesn't necessarily mean he knows what he's talking about with regards to this - he might just make the tea for all we know!

I suspect he does know about the directives though and in which case he is being wilfully obtuse in order to try and make a point that doesn't stand up to scrutiny.

[more heat than light]

Aye. Either way, I'm out of my depth, so leaving it at that.

[Squinty]

I wouldn't bother, but if you want to then clause (9) of the following is where it defines the 3 month rule:

https://eur-lex.europa.eu/LexUriServ/LexUriServ.do?uri=OJ:L:2004:158:0077:0123:en:PDF

Steve... you are so wrong.

1) Clause 9 doesn’t deal with the 3 month rule you mentioned at all. Clause 9 simply means that you can’t live in a country for more than 3 months without registering. So for example, if you live in Belgium or France, you’re required to register and get an ID card within 3 months. That has absolutely nothing to do with deportations. The only other EU law (not Clause 9 which you’ve totally misapplied and I’ve no idea how because even the wording doesnt come close) pertaining to deportations is when the individual has become a ‘burden’ on the welfare system. The legal definition of being a burden is yet to be decided. Clause 9 that you mention related to registering as a person resident there and following administrative formalities. In other words, you’re not allowed to live somewhere for more than 3 months without following administrative procedures relevant to that jurisdiction.

So you’re completely wrong on that. Still, I am sure as a reasonable guy you’ll stand corrected...

EDIT - Just noticed on his Facebook page it lists his job as 'Accredited Parlimentary Assistant at European Parliament'. Backing out now....

He’s a Parlimentary Assistant at the European Parliament and he’s a Leaver?

I think you won the argument MHTL. He's a moron.

Edit - hold on a minute, has he not just agreed with you there? I mean, he's tore down the clause, but he pretty much says about the 'burden' condition and completely glossed over it. The UK do have provision to do this, but choose not to. That hasn't really changed.

Edit 2 - I seriously doubt this guy is what he says he is. That European Arrest Warrant criticism is dumb. There may have been cases like that, but that is absolutely no reason to throw the thing out. It's an extremely good thing to have for police forces.

[Green Gecko]

Yeah I wouldn't assume a civil servant has more than "sufficient" understanding of laws; for all we know he files papers and is certainly not a state lawyer.

Example; train attendants police ticket validity and behaviour on trains, that doesn't necessarily mean they fully understand the National Rail Conditions of Carriage (I always had to deal with shitty train attendants in and out of London who insisted the 16-25 railcard wasn't valid on journeys into London in peak - it strawberry floating was, provided your ticket costs at least £12;- I ended up having to carry a copy in my wallet to make him shut up and stop fleecing me!). Bit of a jump, but there's surely plenty of examples of people out there that don't understand the machinations around them, just doing their own thing and making best guesses to get home at the end of the day with their job intact.

I mean is somebody working in an office within the EU really expected to complete a test proving that they have memorised and know all conditions in which European law applies? It's probably more about the right and wrong situations in which to rubber stamp stuff, and when to forward it to an actual MEP or policymaker/lawyer/budget person or whatever, and how to take valid notes at a parliamentary hearing. Government officials are constantly interpreting laws as they please; that's what courts are for, or we could just look up the law and say, "yup that's bad" and go home with a fine or whatever (of course you can actually do this, but most people disagree on what at least some law means).

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Voted at about 8pm this evening. Quite disheartening just how few names were crossed off the list at that time.

One thing I wondered (and there's probably a very simple answer): under each of the parties was a list of maybe 8 or so names of candidates. Assuming that a party may only get one or a couple of seats, what determines which of those candidates gets it?

[Green Gecko]

Maybe it's down to votes from party members? Anyone can register as a party member.

[coldspice]

Voted at about 8pm this evening. Quite disheartening just how few names were crossed off the list at that time.

One thing I wondered (and there's probably a very simple answer): under each of the parties was a list of maybe 8 or so names of candidates. Assuming that a party may only get one or a couple of seats, what determines which of those candidates gets it?

They're nominated in order of preference by their party.

[Photek]

May announcing her resignation today. Oh boy.

[Moggy]

twitter.com/bbcquestiontime/status/1131681324320923648

Leavers pretending they voted Remain are always so strawberry floating stupid.

“I voted Remain! But people who say we didn’t know what we were voting for are wrong....”

banana splits.

[Squinty]

A lot of quitters can't seem to acknowledge that the Brexit they voted for is very different from the one we are looking at now as well. Politicians either muddied the waters through their own incompetence, or intentionally.

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She's resigned!

[Moggy]

twitter.com/francesweetman/status/1131673858065481728

[Meep]

Donald Tusk: Do not waste this time.
Conservative party: ...Let's have another leadership battle.