Brexit Thread 2

[Hypes]

twitter.com/DaveClark_AFP/status/1093538979490816000

[Moggy]

twitter.com/kasiamichalska_/status/1093208270427312128

strawberry floating elites like Tusk make me sick.

[Squinty]

strawberry floating hell. I had no idea that happened to him.

[Preezy]

twitter.com/DaveClark_AFP/status/1093538979490816000

Maybot is such an embarrassment, worst robot ever. Even worse than the 600 series that had rubber skin.

[Squinty]

Tusks face is hilarious.

[Cheeky Devlin]

Always think he looks like Malcolm McDowell.

[Moggy]

twitter.com/suzanneevans1/status/1093061819541979136

Quitters are hilarious when they suddenly realise that actions have consequences.

[Return_of_the_STAR]

My understanding of the deal is that we enter a transition period until December 2020, with the intention that we agree a permanent deal during the period and if we don’t agree then the back stop is implemented. I assume from the way the talk is most MPs don’t have an issue with the actual transition stage as all the talk is about the backstop so why can’t the backstop be that we continue in the transition stage on a yearly basis until a deal is finalised. Each side (EU and UK) has the option of ending the transition period by giving a years notice. You can go two yearly if you want as that we make it the same as EU members having to give two years notice to leave EU under article 50.

[Return_of_the_STAR]

twitter.com/suzanneevans1/status/1093061819541979136

Quitters are hilarious when they suddenly realise that actions have consequences.

My understanding about this is that there will be no extra cost to these companies so there is no reason to bring back roaming charges other than them wanting to profit on the situation. They only went away as they were forced to by EU law not because some costs were removed.

[Moggy]

twitter.com/suzanneevans1/status/1093061819541979136

Quitters are hilarious when they suddenly realise that actions have consequences.

My understanding about this is that there will be no extra cost to these companies so there is no reason to bring back roaming charges other than them wanting to profit on the situation. They only went away as they were forced to by EU law not because some costs were removed.

That may well be true, but leaving the EU removes that EU law.

[Hexx]

twitter.com/GuardianHeather/status/1093548216795185157

twitter.com/GeorgeWParker/status/1093456651917684736

twitter.com/lewis_goodall/status/1093536789866971136

twitter.com/stephenkb/status/1093286339359981568

Such a chuffin mess (and Corbynistas are absolutely fine with him redefining the 6 tests to 5, and...reinterpretating...the stance agreed at the conference. It's just a cult.)

[Return_of_the_STAR]

twitter.com/suzanneevans1/status/1093061819541979136

Quitters are hilarious when they suddenly realise that actions have consequences.

My understanding about this is that there will be no extra cost to these companies so there is no reason to bring back roaming charges other than them wanting to profit on the situation. They only went away as they were forced to by EU law not because some costs were removed.

That may well be true, but leaving the EU removes that EU law.

Surely a simply replacement law stating that roaming charges must be removed for uk customers in the EU would solve that then. They need to do that straight away to avoid the companies kicking up too much of a fuss about lost income should they reintroduce roaming charges.

[Moggy]

twitter.com/suzanneevans1/status/1093061819541979136

Quitters are hilarious when they suddenly realise that actions have consequences.

My understanding about this is that there will be no extra cost to these companies so there is no reason to bring back roaming charges other than them wanting to profit on the situation. They only went away as they were forced to by EU law not because some costs were removed.

That may well be true, but leaving the EU removes that EU law.

Surely a simply replacement law stating that roaming charges must be removed for uk customers in the EU would solve that then. They need to do that straight away to avoid the companies kicking up too much of a fuss about lost income should they reintroduce roaming charges.

They could do that, they might do that, but whether they will or not is a different question.

[Return_of_the_STAR]

twitter.com/suzanneevans1/status/1093061819541979136

Quitters are hilarious when they suddenly realise that actions have consequences.

My understanding about this is that there will be no extra cost to these companies so there is no reason to bring back roaming charges other than them wanting to profit on the situation. They only went away as they were forced to by EU law not because some costs were removed.

That may well be true, but leaving the EU removes that EU law.

Surely a simply replacement law stating that roaming charges must be removed for uk customers in the EU would solve that then. They need to do that straight away to avoid the companies kicking up too much of a fuss about lost income should they reintroduce roaming charges.

They could do that, they might do that, but whether they will or not is a different question.

My assumption is they probably won’t. Just leave it for capitalism to sort out because you know Tory party and stuff.

On the laws though I know all our current eu laws are going to be simply transported over into uk law under that bill they’ve previously passed so I wonder if that would cover roaming charges.

[Garth]

twitter.com/MarkDiStef/status/1093567727451717632

An EU source with knowledge of today’s meeting said: “Tusk suggested that the Corbyn plan could be a promising way out of the impasse.”

EU officials who have looked at the letter the Labour leader sent the prime minister on Wednesday believe that it is broadly compliant with the guidelines set out by the EU’s remaining 27 member states.

Dropping Labour’s previous demand that the government secures the “exact same benefits” as the membership of the EU’s single market after Brexit, Corbyn indicated he would back a deal if it delivered a permanent customs union, “close alignment” with the single market, protections for workers’ rights, participation in EU agencies and funding programmes, and agreements on future security arrangements.

During Thursday’s meeting with May, Tusk reiterated that the withdrawal agreement was not open for renegotiation.

The source said that “May did not offer any new concrete proposals on the way forward.”

[captain red dog]

So much more Corbyn having no plan.

[Meep]

Negotiating with the UK is like a parent trying to negotiate with a toddler having a tantrum at their birthday party. They are upset and hungry yet refuse everything on the menu, want things that aren't on the menu and spent weeks pestering them to go to the restaurant in the first place.

[captain red dog]

Negotiating with the UK is like a parent trying to negotiate with a toddler having a tantrum at their birthday party. They are upset and hungry yet refuse everything on the menu, want things that aren't on the menu and spent weeks pestering them to go to the restaurant in the first place.

Out of pure interest, how would you deal with a toddler like that?

I say this as someone with a 5 year old who threw a tantrum earlier about being asked to wash his hands with soap. It wasn't the washing hands he was against, it was the indignity of the soap!

Have we just come up with the perfect analogy of Brexit?

[Samuel_1]

An EU source with knowledge of today’s meeting said: “Tusk suggested that the Corbyn plan could be a promising way out of the impasse.”

He's also getting a bashing for this? Surely a soft Brexit is better than the no deal the Tories are heading for. Or could it be a move to a second referendum. It is very easy for the Lib dems to be the party of remain, Labour have to be much more careful in the way they handle Brexit as many of their voters did back leave.

[Hexx]

An EU source with knowledge of today’s meeting said: “Tusk suggested that the Corbyn plan could be a promising way out of the impasse.”

He's also getting a bashing for this? Surely a soft Brexit is better than the no deal the Tories are heading for. Or could it be a move to a second referendum. It is very easy for the Lib dems to be the party of remain, Labour have to be much more careful in the way they handle Brexit as many of their voters did back leave.

He's getting a bash because it fundamentally altered the agreed at conference motion (when previously he couldn't! it was sacrosanct! how dare people push for other options?) and stance on what a deal should be. Why the hell have Labour spent months arguing they'll only accept a deal that keeps the "exact same benefits" only for Corbyn to throw it out on a whim?
He's still asking for unicorn elements (our own trade deals, a customers union, and a say on EU's deals) - which is probably what the EU think we'll need to be changed (they're ecstatic at the attempts to build a cross party approach)
A lot of the "guarantees" he's asking for appear meaningless - a future government can't be bound by current parliament. They'll be letters of intent at best.
May's deal faulters. Corbyn acts to help her get it over the line (with most Lab being Remainers) May's deal faulting gave people hope for extension, 2nd referendum (and most optimistically no Brexit) He smashes that hope to deliver a damaging Brexit (a less damaging version maybe still very damaging)
There's also anger at his previous "Don't you dare deal with her" instructions being thrown out in an oddly cordial letter. Which some think we'll be used for other people (e.g. strongly leave MPs) to justify reaching out to otherside to help