Brexit Thread 2

[Herdanos]

You can't win these people around. They are strawberry floating idiots.

Much like, you know, most people they are fairly nuanced individuals with an array of views when it comes to politics. Taking an us vs. them view of the entire Leave vote base plays dangerously into the inexplicable rise of partisanship that’s gone on since the 1990s in the UK, and runs the risk of dehumanising a really big group of people. It’s an incredibly short-sighted and in my view, dangerous way to think.

[Moggy]

You can't win these people around. They are strawberry floating idiots.

Much like, you know, most people they are fairly nuanced individuals with an array of views when it comes to politics. Taking an us vs. them view of the entire Leave vote base plays dangerously into the inexplicable rise of partisanship that’s gone on since the 1990s in the UK, and runs the risk of dehumanising a really big group of people. It’s an incredibly short-sighted and in my view, dangerous way to think.

I don’t think he was saying that about all Leavers. He was saying it about the strawberry floating idiots that post gooseberry fool like that on Facebook.

[Squinty]

You can't win these people around. They are strawberry floating idiots.

Much like, you know, most people they are fairly nuanced individuals with an array of views when it comes to politics. Taking an us vs. them view of the entire Leave vote base plays dangerously into the inexplicable rise of partisanship that’s gone on since the 1990s in the UK, and runs the risk of dehumanising a really big group of people. It’s an incredibly short-sighted and in my view, dangerous way to think.

I'm referring to people still strongly advocating this. Anyone with an ounce of common sense can see it's a terrible idea.

[Pedz]

From Facebook:

Brexiter: All we have to do is what the prime minister should have done in the first place and that is just leave. We have the rest of the world to trade with, fisheries would start to recover, money would go to help the NHS, more money to recruit more police to fight crime. The EU would be begging for us to trade with them and so we should. Back to a world before maggie thatcher. Even she didn't want us in the EU but we went in anyway. Would you allow our country to be run by unelected MP's, we need our freedom back and a new government.

Me: we are already part of the biggest trading bloc in the world. What you say makes no sense whatsoever.

Brexiter: If that's the case then why is everyone so worried. We leave we prosper, easy.

Sick of this.

I'm sure Thatcher was pro-EU. Think someone heard said it. I'll just say Moggy.

[Moggy]

From Facebook:

Brexiter: All we have to do is what the prime minister should have done in the first place and that is just leave. We have the rest of the world to trade with, fisheries would start to recover, money would go to help the NHS, more money to recruit more police to fight crime. The EU would be begging for us to trade with them and so we should. Back to a world before maggie thatcher. Even she didn't want us in the EU but we went in anyway. Would you allow our country to be run by unelected MP's, we need our freedom back and a new government.

Me: we are already part of the biggest trading bloc in the world. What you say makes no sense whatsoever.

Brexiter: If that's the case then why is everyone so worried. We leave we prosper, easy.

Sick of this.

I'm sure Thatcher was pro-EU. Think someone heard said it. I'll just say Moggy.

[Pedz]

I guess she didn't want to be in the EU and wanted to be in a British chicken.

[Cuttooth]

I was thinking about this earlier and it is amazing really how the Tories are destroying their own history. One of Thatcher’s greatest moments was the creation of the single market and now the Tories want out. What reputation does that leave their greatest ever leader? Closing coal mines and privatising the country’s assets?

The other proud Tory boast is the Union of the UK itself. They pride themselves on protecting it and yet now are actively pushing things ever closer to Irish reunification and Scottish independence. While making plans that will cause Gibraltar no end of headaches.

But I guess it all worth it for blue passports (that we could have had anyway).

I was thinking this the other day that a lot of the core arguments seem to be anti the parties core beliefs.

The core beliefs that made it begrudgingly acceptable to vote Tory (business focus, party of union, law and order) have been stripped back for that other core tenant of white English nationalism and British exceptionalism along cultural and racist lines. That core tenant fed into the policies of those other beliefs and always had done, sure, but modern conservatism is so blatantly no longer the moderate kind of 'sensible' politics large swathes of its loyal supporters try to convince themselves it is.

Anyway how long before this VoNC is defeated? How tied up in knots will the Labour leadership find themselves now?

[Lagamorph]

I was thinking about this earlier and it is amazing really how the Tories are destroying their own history. One of Thatcher’s greatest moments was the creation of the single market and now the Tories want out. What reputation does that leave their greatest ever leader? Closing coal mines and privatising the country’s assets?

The other proud Tory boast is the Union of the UK itself. They pride themselves on protecting it and yet now are actively pushing things ever closer to Irish reunification and Scottish independence. While making plans that will cause Gibraltar no end of headaches.

But I guess it all worth it for blue passports (that we could have had anyway).

I was thinking this the other day that a lot of the core arguments seem to be anti the parties core beliefs.

The core beliefs that made it begrudgingly acceptable to vote Tory (business focus, party of union, law and order) have been stripped back for that other core tenant of white English nationalism and British exceptionalism along cultural and racist lines. That core tenant fed into the policies of those other beliefs and always had done, sure, but modern conservatism is so blatantly no longer the moderate kind of 'sensible' politics large swathes of its loyal supporters try to convince themselves it is.

Anyway how long before this VoNC is defeated? How tied up in knots will the Labour leadership find themselves now?

VonC is at 7 so expect results by half past.

[satriales]

There's zero chance of the no confidence vote passing. All of the Tories and DUP will put their party before country, and even a couple of the independents have said they don't want a Corbyn government and will support May.

[Moggy]

There's zero chance of the no confidence vote passing. All of the Tories and DUP will put their party before country, and even a couple of the independents have said they don't want a Corbyn government and will support May.

But if you believe in socialist unicorns then Corbyn will SMASH this vote.

[Lagamorph]

There's zero chance of the no confidence vote passing. All of the Tories and DUP will put their party before country, and even a couple of the independents have said they don't want a Corbyn government and will support May.

Yeah the only way it ever would've passed is if there were strong indications of at least 20-30 Tory MPs voting against the government. At those numbers enough of them might have resigned from the party and gone independent afterwards in the hopes of joining some grand Labour/SNP/Lib Dem coalition, but no way any of them will risk being in a group of 1 or 2 and then face deselection with nothing to show for it.

Ken Clarke might vote against the government just for the lols but that would be about it I think.

[Blue Eyes]

Bugger.

[Herdanos]

Another wasted day

[Moggy]

God knows what happens now.

[DML]

Expected, but it showcases just how weak this government is. These people are living on another planet. Will only hurt the Tories long term.

[Rex Kramer]

A massive number of people with zero confidence in the government reject a vote of no confidence. What a ridiculous situation to be in.

[Cuttooth]

DUP flexing its confidence and supply muscle like a strawberry floating racketeering crew.

[Blue Eyes]

Was that closer than expected? Only 19 in it.

[Lagamorph]

DUP flexing its confidence and supply muscle like a strawberry floating racketeering crew.

Yeah they're going to be holding this over May big time now. If the DUP had voted against her she would have lost.

[Cuttooth]

Was that closer than expected? Only 19 in it.

306 is one off the 307 total of Labour, SNP, Lib Dem, Plaid Cymru, and Green MPs.

I don't think anyone really expected any different really, and maybe one Labour MP didn't vote against the government (?).

Government only survived because of the DUP.

EDIT - Also there are eight independent MPs but I don't really know much about them (some will be ex-Labour).