Brexit Thread 2

Fed up talking videogames? Why?

How would you vote if we had to vote again?

Leave
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7%
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93%
 
Total votes: 171
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PostRe: Brexit Thread 2
by Moggy » Mon Jan 21, 2019 4:28 pm

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strawberry floating Cameron. :lol: :fp:

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PostRe: Brexit Thread 2
by Photek » Mon Jan 21, 2019 4:47 pm

A bomb went off in Derry Saturday night, none of your media is covering it. It's front page news here, Mental.

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PostRe: Brexit Thread 2
by Hypes » Mon Jan 21, 2019 4:50 pm

Yes they are, you just need to search for Londonderry ;)

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PostRe: Brexit Thread 2
by OrangeRKN » Mon Jan 21, 2019 4:55 pm

Photek wrote:A bomb went off in Derry last night, none of your media is covering it. It's front page news here, Mental.


You mean Saturday night? It was definitely in the headlines on the radio

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PostRe: Brexit Thread 2
by Photek » Mon Jan 21, 2019 4:57 pm

Saturday, aye, Derry is in lockdown right now as 2 vehicles were taken and parked in 2 different areas.

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PostRe: Brexit Thread 2
by Lex-Man » Mon Jan 21, 2019 4:59 pm

They were talking about it on Radio 4 this morning and everybody seems to have heard about it at work.

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PostRe: Brexit Thread 2
by Jenuall » Mon Jan 21, 2019 4:59 pm

Yeah that's been pretty heavily covered in our news.

It would have got even more coverage if the car had flipped over with an aging member of the royal family inside though.

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PostRe: Brexit Thread 2
by DML » Mon Jan 21, 2019 5:18 pm

Photek wrote:A bomb went off in Derry Saturday night, none of your media is covering it. It's front page news here, Mental.


Its been reported greatly Photek, please stop stirring the pot.

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PostRe: Brexit Thread 2
by Cuttooth » Mon Jan 21, 2019 5:29 pm

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PostRe: Brexit Thread 2
by Moggy » Mon Jan 21, 2019 5:37 pm

Photek wrote:A bomb went off in Derry Saturday night, none of your media is covering it. It's front page news here, Mental.


They probably assumed it wasn’t a bomb because people assured us that terrorism was over.

Photek wrote:
Moggy wrote:
Photek wrote:
Moggy wrote:This is the really interesting bit:

However, a leaked European Commission earlier this month showed that Dublin has Brussels staunch support in ensuring the controversy remains a priority.

It made clear that, in order to preserve the Good Friday Agreement, the Brexit divorce deal must respect “the integrity of the internal market and the customs union”, with Ireland remaining a member of both.

That meant the UK, to avoid a hard border with Northern Ireland, must also remain part of the customs union – something London has categorically ruled out, at least long term.


If Brexit means the end of the Good Friday Agreement, then we could be looking at a return to the days of IRA bombings on the mainland.

Yay, more good news!

No chance of that happening but it is odd that your government is saying talks were constructive and ours are like "eh?"


No chance of the Good Friday Agreement falling apart or no chance of the IRA resuming a bombing campaign if it does fall apart?

I'd say there was far more than "no chance" of either of those happening. Without an agreement, things are going to get messy and bitter and Northern Ireland is going to be in the middle of it.

The IRA doesn't exist and hasn't for 20years. To be honest I'm surprised you think they do.

Here's a piece about how 'the troubles' were a failure for the IRA and also that bringing a border back won't bring terrorism back, from Ex IRA members.

https://www.irishtimes.com/news/ireland/irish-news/the-ex-ira-men-united-ireland-it-s-all-guff-1.3041131

EDIT: Actually I'm properly annoyed you think the IRA would start re-training, re-importing guns and bombs and destroy Sinn Fein in the process. Now I know how a Muslim feels when the BNP start talking bollocks.

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PostRe: Brexit Thread 2
by Oblomov Boblomov » Mon Jan 21, 2019 5:38 pm

You've been Moggy'd :lol:

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PostRe: Brexit Thread 2
by Moggy » Mon Jan 21, 2019 5:58 pm

Oblomov Boblomov wrote:You've been Moggy'd :lol:


:lol:

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PostRe: Brexit Thread 2
by captain red dog » Mon Jan 21, 2019 6:38 pm

Why don't the UK government just do what Scotland did and say that they won't implement a border. As I understand it from that referendum, there is no obligation for us to implement a border on our side?

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PostRe: Brexit Thread 2
by Errkal » Mon Jan 21, 2019 6:41 pm

captain red dog wrote:Why don't the UK government just do what Scotland did and say that they won't implement a border. As I understand it from that referendum, there is no obligation for us to implement a border on our side?


Without regulatory alignment there has to be a border. Once Scotland voted out it may have found that no border wasn’t going to be an option for that same reason.

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PostRe: Brexit Thread 2
by Moggy » Mon Jan 21, 2019 6:48 pm

captain red dog wrote:Why don't the UK government just do what Scotland did and say that they won't implement a border. As I understand it from that referendum, there is no obligation for us to implement a border on our side?


Because they’ve spent years shouting that we would control our borders. And now we are going to leave our only border wide open?

And it would also break WTO rules unless we have zero tariffs for ALL other nations.

The EU would need a physical border to check goods coming into the Republic of Ireland from Northern Ireland in the event of a no-deal Brexit.

Although in theory, the UK could decide not to impose checks on goods moving the other way (i.e. from the Republic into Northern Ireland). This could make a hard border slightly softer.

But there’s a catch: under WTO rules, unless you’re in a free trade bloc like the EU or NAFTA, you have to obey the “most favoured nation” rule.

That means if you lower trade tariffs for one trading partner, you have to lower tariffs to all your other partners. Professor O’Donoghue explains:

“If the UK chooses not impose any tariffs on goods coming across the [Irish] border… that would mean that the UK is giving the EU (because Ireland is the EU in this context) complete open access. So its most favoured nation tariff is zero. That means it would have to give a zero tariff access to every single country in the WTO.”

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PostRe: Brexit Thread 2
by captain red dog » Mon Jan 21, 2019 6:56 pm

They could impose the tariffs surely, but not put apparatus in place to enforce it?

EDIT: and in terms of the immigration issue, I haven't seen any option, deal or not, that wouldn't stop it being an open border anyway.

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PostRe: Brexit Thread 2
by Moggy » Mon Jan 21, 2019 7:20 pm

captain red dog wrote:They could impose the tariffs surely, but not put apparatus in place to enforce it?

EDIT: and in terms of the immigration issue, I haven't seen any option, deal or not, that wouldn't stop it being an open border anyway.


The majority of Leave voters voted for stronger borders and the solution now is to plunge the country into chaos and leave the ONLY border open?

In theory I guess you could impose the tariffs but not carry out any checks. But that’s not really reassuring, what about smuggling? What if the EU standards on food/electricals end up lower than ours? What if the Sun/Mail are fed up with Romanians “flooding” across the border and into the UK?

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PostRe: Brexit Thread 2
by Errkal » Mon Jan 21, 2019 7:22 pm

Moggy wrote:
captain red dog wrote:They could impose the tariffs surely, but not put apparatus in place to enforce it?

EDIT: and in terms of the immigration issue, I haven't seen any option, deal or not, that wouldn't stop it being an open border anyway.


The majority of Leave voters voted for stronger borders and the solution now is to plunge the country into chaos and leave the ONLY border open?

In theory I guess you could impose the tariffs but not carry out any checks. But that’s not really reassuring, what about smuggling? What if the EU standards on food/electricals end up lower than ours? What if the Sun/Mail are fed up with Romanians “flooding” across the border and into the UK?

What if the WTO sees through that blatant cheat.

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PostRe: Brexit Thread 2
by Lex-Man » Mon Jan 21, 2019 7:28 pm

Errkal wrote:
Moggy wrote:
captain red dog wrote:They could impose the tariffs surely, but not put apparatus in place to enforce it?

EDIT: and in terms of the immigration issue, I haven't seen any option, deal or not, that wouldn't stop it being an open border anyway.


The majority of Leave voters voted for stronger borders and the solution now is to plunge the country into chaos and leave the ONLY border open?

In theory I guess you could impose the tariffs but not carry out any checks. But that’s not really reassuring, what about smuggling? What if the EU standards on food/electricals end up lower than ours? What if the Sun/Mail are fed up with Romanians “flooding” across the border and into the UK?

What if the WTO sees through that blatant cheat.


I'm guessing this is what Mogg is suggesting we do when he say we should drop all our tariffs to 0%. Also I'm guessing without some kind of border checks we wouldn't be able to claim we're collecting tariffs. Let alone the massive issue it would cause with illegal imports of booze and cigarettes, etc, etc.

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PostRe: Brexit Thread 2
by Moggy » Mon Jan 21, 2019 7:29 pm

Errkal wrote:
Moggy wrote:
captain red dog wrote:They could impose the tariffs surely, but not put apparatus in place to enforce it?

EDIT: and in terms of the immigration issue, I haven't seen any option, deal or not, that wouldn't stop it being an open border anyway.


The majority of Leave voters voted for stronger borders and the solution now is to plunge the country into chaos and leave the ONLY border open?

In theory I guess you could impose the tariffs but not carry out any checks. But that’s not really reassuring, what about smuggling? What if the EU standards on food/electricals end up lower than ours? What if the Sun/Mail are fed up with Romanians “flooding” across the border and into the UK?

What if the WTO sees through that blatant cheat.


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