Brexit Thread 2

[Photek]

It's never going to end.

European Commission president nominee Ursula von der Leyen said she is prepared to extend Britain's exit from the EU beyond the 31 October deadline if necessary.

https://www.rte.ie/news/2019/0716/1062282-ursula-von-der-leyen/

[KK]

Boris will do a U-turn later in the year.

[Lagamorph]

Parliament will pass an amendment for an extension and Boris will just play up that "Traitor remainer MPs forced me"

[captain red dog]

I can actually see a point with Boris where he would go for a second referendum to settle the issue, oddly enough. I think he backed leave to advance his own career, if it becomes impossible for him to secure a decent Brexit, I think he will go for a cop out second referendum and put it back to the people so that he can say parliament failed and it needs the people to decide. That way he can back out of Brexit and keep his job and blame everyone else.

Nobody has a feasible strategy to leave, no deal would be political suicide if the Tories push it through, so Boris would be in the perfect position to sell himself as a saviour.

Edit: When I say "cop out" I mean for him. He wouldn't want to take responsibility for the controversial decisions himself. In terms of a second referendum, I think it's the only option left to resolve the issue. To be fair, a second referendum to confirm the result after we knew what form Brexit would take should always have been on the cards.

[Moggy]

I can actually see a point with Boris where he would go for a second referendum to settle the issue, oddly enough. I think he backed leave to advance his own career, if it becomes impossible for him to secure a decent Brexit, I think he will go for a cop out second referendum and put it back to the people so that he can say parliament failed and it needs the people to decide. That way he can back out of Brexit and keep his job and blame everyone else.

Nobody has a feasible strategy to leave, no deal would be political suicide if the Tories push it through, so Boris would be in the perfect position to sell himself as a saviour.

I can see that happening. Boris doesn’t really give a gooseberry fool if we leave or not, all he wants is to be PM and to get other people to do most of the work.

I can see him blaming Parliament for Brexit not happening and then spinning another referendum as a way of bypassing Parliament and “giving it back to the people”.

He’ll like that idea as well as he’ll be easily able to tell the mad hard Leavers that it’s not his fault.

[captain red dog]

I can actually see a point with Boris where he would go for a second referendum to settle the issue, oddly enough. I think he backed leave to advance his own career, if it becomes impossible for him to secure a decent Brexit, I think he will go for a cop out second referendum and put it back to the people so that he can say parliament failed and it needs the people to decide. That way he can back out of Brexit and keep his job and blame everyone else.

Nobody has a feasible strategy to leave, no deal would be political suicide if the Tories push it through, so Boris would be in the perfect position to sell himself as a saviour.

I can see that happening. Boris doesn’t really give a gooseberry fool if we leave or not, all he wants is to be PM and to get other people to do most of the work.

I can see him blaming Parliament for Brexit not happening and then spinning another referendum as a way of bypassing Parliament and “giving it back to the people”.

He’ll like that idea as well as he’ll be easily able to tell the mad hard Leavers that it’s not his fault.

Yep I'm in complete agreement. He will sell it as overriding parliament with the will of the people, and if we choose to remain he can say to the party that the people have changed their mind and they have to listen to them.

I don't subscribe to the idea that he is stupid. He is incredibly devious and manipulative. He knows how to play people.

[Moggy]

I can actually see a point with Boris where he would go for a second referendum to settle the issue, oddly enough. I think he backed leave to advance his own career, if it becomes impossible for him to secure a decent Brexit, I think he will go for a cop out second referendum and put it back to the people so that he can say parliament failed and it needs the people to decide. That way he can back out of Brexit and keep his job and blame everyone else.

Nobody has a feasible strategy to leave, no deal would be political suicide if the Tories push it through, so Boris would be in the perfect position to sell himself as a saviour.

I can see that happening. Boris doesn’t really give a gooseberry fool if we leave or not, all he wants is to be PM and to get other people to do most of the work.

I can see him blaming Parliament for Brexit not happening and then spinning another referendum as a way of bypassing Parliament and “giving it back to the people”.

He’ll like that idea as well as he’ll be easily able to tell the mad hard Leavers that it’s not his fault.

Yep I'm in complete agreement. He will sell it as overriding parliament with the will of the people, and if we choose to remain he can say to the party that the people have changed their mind and they have to listen to them.

I don't subscribe to the idea that he is stupid. He is incredibly devious and manipulative. He knows how to play people.

Oh he’s definitely devious, sly and calculating. I don’t think he’s anywhere near as intelligent as he thinks he is though. He’s a stupid man pretending to be a clever man that’s pretending to be stupid.

[Photek]

Did I miss something? Since when has deviousness and manipulation become some sort of high bar of intelligence? Put Boris Johnson next to most EU leaders and he's an imbecile.

[Tomous]

It's never going to end.

European Commission president nominee Ursula von der Leyen said she is prepared to extend Britain's exit from the EU beyond the 31 October deadline if necessary.

https://www.rte.ie/news/2019/0716/1062282-ursula-von-der-leyen/

Lets just keep can kicking until all the baby boomers have died off and we can have another referendum.

[captain red dog]

Did I miss something? Since when has deviousness and manipulation become some sort of high bar of intelligence? Put Boris Johnson next to most EU leaders and he's an imbecile.

He has been extremely clever in terms of strategising his rise to the top. He knows how to play the long game. I think half his gaffes are to make him more appealable to the working class who generally don't like your standard Etonians. He plays on the "yeah he's posh, but he's our kind of posh" way of thinking.

I don't like him, not because I think he is stupid, but because he is extremely devious and untrustworthy as he is simply after the power and legacy of being PM.

Trump on the other hand, I feel is genuinely quite thick but is a living example of what happens to someone of low intelligence that gets a first rate education.

[Squinty]

It's never going to end.

European Commission president nominee Ursula von der Leyen said she is prepared to extend Britain's exit from the EU beyond the 31 October deadline if necessary.

https://www.rte.ie/news/2019/0716/1062282-ursula-von-der-leyen/

Lets just keep can kicking until all the baby boomers have died off and we can have another referendum.

Civul War if we don't leaf!!!!!1!!!!!!!!!!

[OrangeRKN]

Did I miss something? Since when has deviousness and manipulation become some sort of high bar of intelligence? Put Boris Johnson next to most EU leaders and he's an imbecile.

He has been extremely clever in terms of strategising his rise to the top. He knows how to play the long game. I think half his gaffes are to make him more appealable to the working class who generally don't like your standard Etonians. He plays on the "yeah he's posh, but he's our kind of posh" way of thinking.

I don't like him, not because I think he is stupid, but because he is extremely devious and untrustworthy as he is simply after the power and legacy of being PM.

Has Boris Johnson ever demonstrated an ability to intelligently assess policy and its ramifications? Was he smart and considered in his role as foreign secretary? No, to both. In fact his dismissal of facts and numerous public gaffes (read racist remarks and insulting behaviour) clearly demonstrate his unsuitability for office. His obsession with Churchill is that of a hobbyist, his assessment lacking in historicity, so even there we can see a demonstrable lack of skill anything above the ordinary - and that's something he's actually passionate about.

He is not a clever man. He is a privileged man. His aptitude as a celebrity is not evidence of superiority in any of the areas that truly matter as a lawmaker and elected representative, let alone as Prime Minister.

Intelligence is a multi-faceted beast, and while Johnson clearly understands how to appeal to people, to think him generally clever because of that is a mistake.

[Rex Kramer]

I think the only way to work out just how clever Boris is is to give him Baba is You and he only gets to be PM when he 100% it.

[Moggy]

He is not a clever man. He is a privileged man.

That’s exactly it.

Johnson was born into a wealthy family, went to an elite school and then onto a privileged university. That wealth and that education means that he doesn’t need to be clever. He has the accent, he can quote some classical history and he has all of the contacts.

Does anybody truly believe Johnson would have risen to where he is if he had been born into a single parent family on a rough council estate?

A plummy voice, an Eton education and a ruthlessness to strawberry float over literally anybody else is all you need. And that’s absolutely damning on our entire country.

[Rax]

I think the only way to work out just how clever Boris is is to give him Baba is You and he only gets to be PM when he 100% it.

Not a bad test, mostly because any numpty who cant figure out how to search for answers on the internet is unqualified for any job.

[captain red dog]

Just want to clarify that just because I think he is deviously clever, that by no means is an endorsement as a politician. He represents the very worst of what we think of when the word politician is mentioned.

As for his privledge leading him to high office, I totally agree. He wouldn't be there if he was born into a working class family. That's a wider issue though, isn't it something like 19 prime ministers have been educated at Eton? When was the last time someone who wasn't incredibly privileged rose to high office?

I heard a caller on LBC raise an interesting point regarding Eton. It was originally set up to provide free education to poor boys. I actually think fee paying schools should be outlawed, but what's the point when higher education is already financially crippling.

[Cuttooth]

Major and Brown grew up relatively middle class, right?

[Moggy]

Major and Brown grew up relatively middle class, right?

Thatcher did as well.

[Squinty]

Major and Brown grew up relatively middle class, right?

I thought Major was below that. But it sounds like I'm wrong from reading about him.

[Christopher]

My in-laws are friends with the Majors, John is a nice guy actually not a typical Tory at all. Only met him twice to be fair. Had to stop myself from asking Norma to pass the peas at dinner though.