Brexit Thread 2

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How would you vote if we had to vote again?

Leave
12
7%
Remain
159
93%
 
Total votes: 171
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PostRe: Brexit Thread 2
by Meep » Mon Jul 09, 2018 6:41 pm

Nope, brexit is dying, or at least the deluded fantasy of brexit is dying. The parliament has a massive remain majority and MPs will not allow a no deal exit. Either they will force the government to ask for an emergency extension of the negotiations or force a second referendum, with now the only two options being ultra hard cliff edge brexit or cancelling the whole mess.

Check-fucking-mate.

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PostRe: Brexit Thread 2
by Moggy » Mon Jul 09, 2018 6:41 pm

captain red dog wrote:Honestly we need a general election. I don't see anyway forward. We need to get to the point where a final deal is on the table and then have a second referendum. I don't really understand why nobody seems to have the balls to properly call for it, dressing it up under some "people's vote" shite.


Theresa May will not call an election after she lost her majority last time.

The only way we get another election is if she is ousted. That’ll take a couple of months at best. Then a couple of months campaigning. And by then it’ll be too late to get a deal before Brexit kicks in.

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by Lex-Man » Mon Jul 09, 2018 6:42 pm

captain red dog wrote:Honestly we need a general election. I don't see anyway forward. We need to get to the point where a final deal is on the table and then have a second referendum. I don't really understand why nobody seems to have the balls to properly call for it, dressing it up under some "people's vote" shite.


We need a pause on Brexit, a Tory leadership contest and then a General Election. It'll never happen though.

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PostRe: Brexit Thread 2
by captain red dog » Mon Jul 09, 2018 6:43 pm

Moggy wrote:
captain red dog wrote:Honestly we need a general election. I don't see anyway forward. We need to get to the point where a final deal is on the table and then have a second referendum. I don't really understand why nobody seems to have the balls to properly call for it, dressing it up under some "people's vote" shite.


Theresa May will not call an election after she lost her majority last time.

The only way we get another election is if she is ousted. That’ll take a couple of months at best. Then a couple of months campaigning. And by then it’ll be too late to get a deal before Brexit kicks in.

Everything is up in the air at the moment. Article 50 surely will need to be extended or suspended under the circumstance that we have no effective government. I think this will be a pretty rapid and eventful week.

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PostRe: Brexit Thread 2
by Moggy » Mon Jul 09, 2018 6:44 pm

Meep wrote:Nope, brexit is dying, or at least the deluded fantasy of brexit is dying. The parliament has a massive remain majority and MPs will not allow a no deal exit. Either they will force the government to ask for an emergency extension of the negotiations or force a second referendum, with now the only two options being ultra hard cliff edge brexit or cancelling the whole mess.

Check-fucking-mate.


I agree. A referendum where the options are Remain or no-deal super hard Brexit.

We might end up strawberry floated, but at least people wood have actually voted for it, rather than the bullshit we get now.

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PostRe: Brexit Thread 2
by Moggy » Mon Jul 09, 2018 6:45 pm

captain red dog wrote:
Moggy wrote:
captain red dog wrote:Honestly we need a general election. I don't see anyway forward. We need to get to the point where a final deal is on the table and then have a second referendum. I don't really understand why nobody seems to have the balls to properly call for it, dressing it up under some "people's vote" shite.


Theresa May will not call an election after she lost her majority last time.

The only way we get another election is if she is ousted. That’ll take a couple of months at best. Then a couple of months campaigning. And by then it’ll be too late to get a deal before Brexit kicks in.

Everything is up in the air at the moment. Article 50 surely will need to be extended or suspended under the circumstance that we have no effective government. I think this will be a pretty rapid and eventful week.


If Article 50 is extended then yes we’d have time for a Tory leadership election and a general election.

I don’t think Article 50 will be extended though.

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PostRe: Brexit Thread 2
by Photek » Mon Jul 09, 2018 6:46 pm

Would the EU be willing to offer the UK an Extender tho!?

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PostRe: Brexit Thread 2
by Jenuall » Mon Jul 09, 2018 6:46 pm

One of the main things I'm taking away from looking at the various letters and communications from today is that all of this reads like a group of people who have not been actively and efficiently communicating with one another for months, if not years.

These are the people supposed to be running our country and it sound like they have barely spoken to each other in all this time - preferring to sit in their little groups and moan. Utterly pathetic and thoroughly contemptible.

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PostRe: Brexit Thread 2
by Errkal » Mon Jul 09, 2018 6:50 pm

A referendum now will just hand a strawberry floating great victory to leave.

Normal people that were unsure are now sick to death of bloody brexit so will just "oh strawberry float off with brexit" and not vote. The ones that will be sure to go out are leave.

Brexit is a mistake a monunental gun shot to the economy, jobs, lively hoods etc. It should just be killed or softened but there isn't time so that's it wwe are strawberry floated.

We either go out as is, some how remain mps pull it back and stop it or another ref happens and leave has a bigger majority of screaming racist gooseberry fool heads.

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PostRe: Brexit Thread 2
by Lex-Man » Mon Jul 09, 2018 6:56 pm

Photek wrote:Would the EU be willing to offer the UK an Extender tho!?


Probably not, at this point it's probably better for the EU to cut their loses and concentrate on more important issues.

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PostRe: Brexit Thread 2
by Squinty » Mon Jul 09, 2018 7:03 pm

If a second vote resulted in leave again, I would accept it. First vote was based on wishy washy information and outright lying, both campaigns were guilty of this to some degree. That's the main issue I have with the outcome. We have a better idea of what to expect now, and if leave won it, I would quite happily concede.

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PostRe: Brexit Thread 2
by Moggy » Mon Jul 09, 2018 7:06 pm

Errkal wrote:A referendum now will just hand a strawberry floating great victory to leave.

Normal people that were unsure are now sick to death of bloody brexit so will just "oh strawberry float off with brexit" and not vote. The ones that will be sure to go out are leave.

Brexit is a mistake a monunental gun shot to the economy, jobs, lively hoods etc. It should just be killed or softened but there isn't time so that's it wwe are strawberry floated.

We either go out as is, some how remain mps pull it back and stop it or another ref happens and leave has a bigger majority of screaming racist gooseberry fool heads.


The only solution is another referendum.

Leave might win, but at least they’d then have a proper result (as people now know what Brexit means).

I think Remain would win. Some Leavers have changed their minds and lots of undecideds have seen what a gooseberry fool show this is.

Remain would also have the advantage this time of being the “rebel” vote.

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by Return_of_the_STAR » Mon Jul 09, 2018 7:18 pm

Moggy wrote:
Errkal wrote:A referendum now will just hand a strawberry floating great victory to leave.

Normal people that were unsure are now sick to death of bloody brexit so will just "oh strawberry float off with brexit" and not vote. The ones that will be sure to go out are leave.

Brexit is a mistake a monunental gun shot to the economy, jobs, lively hoods etc. It should just be killed or softened but there isn't time so that's it wwe are strawberry floated.

We either go out as is, some how remain mps pull it back and stop it or another ref happens and leave has a bigger majority of screaming racist gooseberry fool heads.


The only solution is another referendum.

Leave might win, but at least they’d then have a proper result (as people now know what Brexit means).

I think Remain would win. Some Leavers have changed their minds and lots of undecideds have seen what a gooseberry fool show this is.

Remain would also have the advantage this time of being the “rebel” vote.


Im confident that remain would win. I also think that some who were undecided from an immigration point of view will see that many other European nations are now starting to change tune on the recent large increases.

Plus it's been two years. Since then at least a million leave voters must have died or reached a point in their lives where they are not capable of voting whilst most newly eligible voters are likely to be pro EU.

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PostRe: Brexit Thread 2
by DML » Mon Jul 09, 2018 7:22 pm

Return_of_the_STAR wrote:
Moggy wrote:
Errkal wrote:A referendum now will just hand a strawberry floating great victory to leave.

Normal people that were unsure are now sick to death of bloody brexit so will just "oh strawberry float off with brexit" and not vote. The ones that will be sure to go out are leave.

Brexit is a mistake a monunental gun shot to the economy, jobs, lively hoods etc. It should just be killed or softened but there isn't time so that's it wwe are strawberry floated.

We either go out as is, some how remain mps pull it back and stop it or another ref happens and leave has a bigger majority of screaming racist gooseberry fool heads.


The only solution is another referendum.

Leave might win, but at least they’d then have a proper result (as people now know what Brexit means).

I think Remain would win. Some Leavers have changed their minds and lots of undecideds have seen what a gooseberry fool show this is.

Remain would also have the advantage this time of being the “rebel” vote.


Im confident that remain would win. I also think that some who were undecided from an immigration point of view will see that many other European nations are now starting to change tune on the recent large increases.

Plus it's been two years. Since then at least a million leave voters must have died or reached a point in their lives where they are not capable of voting whilst most newly eligible voters are likely to be pro EU.


Is today's events finally enough to make you change your vote in a future referendum?

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PostRe: Brexit Thread 2
by Return_of_the_STAR » Mon Jul 09, 2018 7:28 pm

DML wrote:
Return_of_the_STAR wrote:
Moggy wrote:
Errkal wrote:A referendum now will just hand a strawberry floating great victory to leave.

Normal people that were unsure are now sick to death of bloody brexit so will just "oh strawberry float off with brexit" and not vote. The ones that will be sure to go out are leave.

Brexit is a mistake a monunental gun shot to the economy, jobs, lively hoods etc. It should just be killed or softened but there isn't time so that's it wwe are strawberry floated.

We either go out as is, some how remain mps pull it back and stop it or another ref happens and leave has a bigger majority of screaming racist gooseberry fool heads.


The only solution is another referendum.

Leave might win, but at least they’d then have a proper result (as people now know what Brexit means).

I think Remain would win. Some Leavers have changed their minds and lots of undecideds have seen what a gooseberry fool show this is.

Remain would also have the advantage this time of being the “rebel” vote.


Im confident that remain would win. I also think that some who were undecided from an immigration point of view will see that many other European nations are now starting to change tune on the recent large increases.

Plus it's been two years. Since then at least a million leave voters must have died or reached a point in their lives where they are not capable of voting whilst most newly eligible voters are likely to be pro EU.


Is today's events finally enough to make you change your vote in a future referendum?


I didn't vote to leave. I was very undecided from an immigration point of view nothing else but I didn't vote leave.

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PostRe: Brexit Thread 2
by DML » Mon Jul 09, 2018 7:29 pm

Return_of_the_STAR wrote:
DML wrote:
Return_of_the_STAR wrote:
Moggy wrote:
Errkal wrote:A referendum now will just hand a strawberry floating great victory to leave.

Normal people that were unsure are now sick to death of bloody brexit so will just "oh strawberry float off with brexit" and not vote. The ones that will be sure to go out are leave.

Brexit is a mistake a monunental gun shot to the economy, jobs, lively hoods etc. It should just be killed or softened but there isn't time so that's it wwe are strawberry floated.

We either go out as is, some how remain mps pull it back and stop it or another ref happens and leave has a bigger majority of screaming racist gooseberry fool heads.


The only solution is another referendum.

Leave might win, but at least they’d then have a proper result (as people now know what Brexit means).

I think Remain would win. Some Leavers have changed their minds and lots of undecideds have seen what a gooseberry fool show this is.

Remain would also have the advantage this time of being the “rebel” vote.


Im confident that remain would win. I also think that some who were undecided from an immigration point of view will see that many other European nations are now starting to change tune on the recent large increases.

Plus it's been two years. Since then at least a million leave voters must have died or reached a point in their lives where they are not capable of voting whilst most newly eligible voters are likely to be pro EU.


Is today's events finally enough to make you change your vote in a future referendum?


I didn't vote to leave. I was very undecided from an immigration point of view nothing else but I didn't vote leave.


Would you vote Remain in a future referendum?

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PostRe: Brexit Thread 2
by Return_of_the_STAR » Mon Jul 09, 2018 7:29 pm

DML wrote:
Return_of_the_STAR wrote:
DML wrote:
Return_of_the_STAR wrote:
Moggy wrote:
Errkal wrote:A referendum now will just hand a strawberry floating great victory to leave.

Normal people that were unsure are now sick to death of bloody brexit so will just "oh strawberry float off with brexit" and not vote. The ones that will be sure to go out are leave.

Brexit is a mistake a monunental gun shot to the economy, jobs, lively hoods etc. It should just be killed or softened but there isn't time so that's it wwe are strawberry floated.

We either go out as is, some how remain mps pull it back and stop it or another ref happens and leave has a bigger majority of screaming racist gooseberry fool heads.


The only solution is another referendum.

Leave might win, but at least they’d then have a proper result (as people now know what Brexit means).

I think Remain would win. Some Leavers have changed their minds and lots of undecideds have seen what a gooseberry fool show this is.

Remain would also have the advantage this time of being the “rebel” vote.


Im confident that remain would win. I also think that some who were undecided from an immigration point of view will see that many other European nations are now starting to change tune on the recent large increases.

Plus it's been two years. Since then at least a million leave voters must have died or reached a point in their lives where they are not capable of voting whilst most newly eligible voters are likely to be pro EU.


Is today's events finally enough to make you change your vote in a future referendum?


I didn't vote to leave. I was very undecided from an immigration point of view nothing else but I didn't vote leave.


Would you vote Remain in a future referendum?


Yes

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PostRe: Brexit Thread 2
by DML » Mon Jul 09, 2018 7:33 pm

Interesting.

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PostRe: Brexit Thread 2
by Garth » Mon Jul 09, 2018 7:36 pm

Another resignation:

twitter.com/CGreenUK/status/1016388724974915584


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by Victor Mildew » Mon Jul 09, 2018 7:39 pm

Wow people really don't want to meet Donald Trump

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