Brexit Thread 2

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How would you vote if we had to vote again?

Leave
12
7%
Remain
159
93%
 
Total votes: 171
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by Hexx » Mon Jan 21, 2019 10:29 am

To express distaste and disagreement with them, and attempt to delegitimise them?

e.g. "so called experts". You can't argue with than on a rationale basis. So you attempt to undermine them with a colloquial?

It's short hand for "I'm a twunt who can't win an argument"

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PostRe: Brexit Thread 2
by Moggy » Mon Jan 21, 2019 10:43 am

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This is going to go so well. :slol:

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by Peter Crisp » Mon Jan 21, 2019 11:27 am

Hexx wrote:To express distaste and disagreement with them, and attempt to delegitimise them?

e.g. "so called experts". You can't argue with than on a rationale basis. So you attempt to undermine them with a colloquial?

It's short hand for "I'm a twunt who can't win an argument"


If you want the kings of this then watch Fox News who've turned hating "so called experts" into some kind of odd religion.

Oh, you're a professor of economics at the LSE are you? Well, I'm a presenter on Fox & Friends and have an opinion that trounces you're decades of teaching experience so I'm right and you're wrong and stupid.

They will argue with surgeons with decades of experience of a procedure about how they do things and act like they're the who know best and act all smug about it. It's incredible.

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by Lagamorph » Mon Jan 21, 2019 11:30 am

So basically the new plan is going to be,

May announces in Parliament this afternoon that she's ditching the Irish backstop altogether in an attempt to get her deal through a vote on January 29th, but then when the EU says no because that's not the agreement they signed then May and the Tories can go full in on blaming the EU for not honouring their agreement and so push on with No Deal.

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by DML » Mon Jan 21, 2019 11:37 am

Lagamorph wrote:So basically the new plan is going to be,

May announces in Parliament this afternoon that she's ditching the Irish backstop altogether in an attempt to get her deal through a vote on January 29th, but then when the EU says no because that's not the agreement they signed then May and the Tories can go full in on blaming the EU for not honouring their agreement and so push on with No Deal.



...and then the Grieve Amendment will scupper that by taking No Deal largely off the table.

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PostRe: Brexit Thread 2
by Blue Eyes » Mon Jan 21, 2019 11:41 am

anyone else get the feeling we'll never find out what happens at the end of this gooseberry fool show? feels like the world will end before march 29.

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PostRe: Brexit Thread 2
by Hexx » Mon Jan 21, 2019 11:47 am

Lagamorph wrote:So basically the new plan is going to be,

May announces in Parliament this afternoon that she's ditching the Irish backstop altogether in an attempt to get her deal through a vote on January 29th, but then when the EU says no because that's not the agreement they signed then May and the Tories can go full in on blaming the EU for not honouring their agreement and so push on with No Deal.


It certainly sounds like she's planning to change her deal, get Parliament to approve it (somehow)

Then go back to the EU and go "This is the deal now. Take it or leave it. I'M A STRONG IRON WOMAN!"

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PostRe: Brexit Thread 2
by Moggy » Mon Jan 21, 2019 11:48 am

Hexx wrote:
Lagamorph wrote:So basically the new plan is going to be,

May announces in Parliament this afternoon that she's ditching the Irish backstop altogether in an attempt to get her deal through a vote on January 29th, but then when the EU says no because that's not the agreement they signed then May and the Tories can go full in on blaming the EU for not honouring their agreement and so push on with No Deal.


It certainly sounds like she's planning to change her deal, get Parliament to approve it (somehow)

Then go back to the EU and go "This is the deal now. Take it or leave it. I'M A STRONG IRON WOMAN!"


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PostRe: Brexit Thread 2
by Lagamorph » Mon Jan 21, 2019 12:01 pm

From Sky News,

Brexit could drag Queen into political row

A top constitutional lawyer has warned that MPs looking to delay or stop Brexit are risking involving the Queen in "a legislative showdown" between the Commons and Theresa May's executive.

"It is a sacred duty of all UK politicians not to involve the monarch in politics. They have a constitutional responsibility to resolve difficulties between themselves in accordance with the rules, and so as not to call on the ultimate referee," Sir Stephen Laws wrote for the Policy Exchange think-tank.

He continued: "However, might not a government in that situation think that this was precisely the last resort for which the Royal Assent process is retained?

"How should the monarch react to such advice? The answer is not straightforward, and the prospect of it needing to be considered in a real-life political crisis is unthinkably awful."

The last monarch to withhold Royal Assent from a Bill, preventing it from becoming law, was Queen Anne in 1707.


Basically May might ask the Queen to stop MPs from trying to take over Brexit and trying to delay/withdraw Article 50.

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by poshrule_uk » Mon Jan 21, 2019 12:16 pm

Return_of_the_STAR wrote:This appeared on my timeline. Wow just wow. So many lies but so many people believing it’s true.



I have seen this as well, I presume it's lies and I did try reading the treaty but it went over my head.

To me the leave campaign is the real project fear.

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PostRe: Brexit Thread 2
by Christopher » Mon Jan 21, 2019 12:44 pm

Blue Eyes wrote:anyone else get the feeling we'll never find out what happens at the end of this gooseberry fool show? feels like the world will end before march 29.


I would welcome that at this point.

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PostRe: Brexit Thread 2
by massimo » Mon Jan 21, 2019 1:11 pm

poshrule_uk wrote:
Return_of_the_STAR wrote:This appeared on my timeline. Wow just wow. So many lies but so many people believing it’s true.



I have seen this as well, I presume it's lies and I did try reading the treaty but it went over my head.

To me the leave campaign is the real project fear.

This is coming up as removed content now. Could you summarise? Thanks.

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PostRe: Brexit Thread 2
by Lagamorph » Mon Jan 21, 2019 1:35 pm

So this bullshit just came through my letterbox,

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And here's the 'Circle of Deceit' they're talking about (Spoilered for size so you can read it)
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PostRe: Brexit Thread 2
by Return_of_the_STAR » Mon Jan 21, 2019 2:28 pm

massimo wrote:
poshrule_uk wrote:
Return_of_the_STAR wrote:This appeared on my timeline. Wow just wow. So many lies but so many people believing it’s true.



I have seen this as well, I presume it's lies and I did try reading the treaty but it went over my head.

To me the leave campaign is the real project fear.

This is coming up as removed content now. Could you summarise? Thanks.


Yeah, that’s actually my fault I reported it as false news :lol:

It was an incredibly long post about the Lisbon treaty. Some of the points were that from 2020 all members of the eu would have to adopt the euro, lose their individual country status and now just be states of the EU, the London stock exchange was going to move to Frankfurt at a cost of 200k jobs etc.. just a massive list of lies.

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PostRe: Brexit Thread 2
by Photek » Mon Jan 21, 2019 3:02 pm

Not sure if this is the right place but Sh*ts going down in Derry in Northern Ireland.

https://www.rte.ie/news/ulster/2019/0121/1024571-derry/
:dread:

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PostRe: Brexit Thread 2
by Return_of_the_STAR » Mon Jan 21, 2019 3:54 pm

In slightly positive news the government are scraping the £65 fee for EU citizens to apply for settled status.

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PostRe: Brexit Thread 2
by OrangeRKN » Mon Jan 21, 2019 4:10 pm

Spoons has a news magazine? Genuinely baffling :lol:

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PostRe: Brexit Thread 2
by Lex-Man » Mon Jan 21, 2019 4:19 pm

It's the mag they've handed out free for years, it's just they appear to have gone hard with Brexit recently and now shoved it though every door in the country. I got one and so did my girlfriend.

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PostRe: Brexit Thread 2
by That » Mon Jan 21, 2019 4:19 pm

jesus strawberry floating christ, imagine there are people out there getting their news from Spoons Magazine, oh my god that's horrifying

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PostRe: Brexit Thread 2
by Moggy » Mon Jan 21, 2019 4:25 pm

Karl wrote:jesus strawberry floating christ, imagine there are people out there getting their news from Spoons Magazine, oh my god that's horrifying


How else would we find out about the circle of deceit?


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