Brexit Thread 2

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by Moggy » Tue Feb 19, 2019 9:43 am

Photek wrote:Had a motor economist on RTE radio 1 (RTE NOT RT) this morning who said that although Honda are moving production back to japan, he said they wouldn't have if the current plant wasn't under the threat of brexit.

The big worry as far as he was concerned was Ford, who employ 13,500 people in the UK and who have already flagged Brexit as problem and that they "will protect our interests" and he predicts that if it's no deal, Ford will not move production back to the US but to another EU country.


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PostRe: Brexit Thread 2
by Moggy » Tue Feb 19, 2019 9:43 am

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by KK » Tue Feb 19, 2019 10:24 am

What Honda has said this morning:

Honda said the move was due to global changes in the car industry and the need to launch electric vehicles, and it had nothing to do with Brexit.

A fall in demand for diesel cars and tougher emissions regulations have shaken up the car industry.

Ian Howells, senior vice-president for Honda in Europe, told the BBC: "We're seeing unprecedented change in the industry on a global scale. We have to move very swiftly to electrification of our vehicles because of demand of our customers and legislation.

"This is not a Brexit-related issue for us, it's being made on the global-related changes I've spoken about.

"We've always seen Brexit as something we'll get through, but these changes globally are something we will have to respond to. We deeply regret the impact it will have on the Swindon community."

Mr Howells said that, in the light of changes in the industry, the company had to "look very closely" at where it was putting its investment. "It has to be in a marketplace of a size for Honda, where it makes investment worthwhile.

"The conclusion coming out of that is that that doesn't include Swindon - the relative size of the marketplace in Europe is significantly different."

Honda said it would begin consulting immediately about the proposed closure with potentially affected employees.

A union source told the BBC that Honda had sent the workforce at its Swindon factory home for the day.

The EU and Japan recently struck a trade deal which lowers tariffs on both parties' car exports to zero.

BBC business editor Simon Jack said the trade deal means there is a dwindling rationale to base manufacturing inside the EU.

He said production at Swindon had also been in decline for some time, with the plant currently running at about half its capacity.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-47287386

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PostRe: Brexit Thread 2
by Squinty » Tue Feb 19, 2019 10:29 am

It ain't Brexit. But it's Brexit.

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PostRe: Brexit Thread 2
by Preezy » Tue Feb 19, 2019 10:34 am

The majority of manufacturing jobs (and lots of other industries) will be automated out of existence in the next 10-20 years anyway, Brexit or no Brexit unemployment is going to soar.

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PostRe: Brexit Thread 2
by Jenuall » Tue Feb 19, 2019 10:44 am

"Not Brexit" means Brexit.

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PostRe: Brexit Thread 2
by Moggy » Tue Feb 19, 2019 10:51 am

Sounds like the Swindon plant has not been successful for a while. If they say it is not to do with Brexit then I guess we have to believe them although I am sure that Brexit has not helped the situation.

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by Lagamorph » Tue Feb 19, 2019 11:00 am

From what I understand Honda don't sell particularly well in Europe which is why they've moved production back to Japan rather than another European country.
With the new FTA they probably figure that lower wages and a PR boost in Japan are worth the costs of shipping to Europe.

I can imagine they were vaguely considering it before and Brexit has given them the push to make it financially worthwhile.

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PostRe: Brexit Thread 2
by KK » Tue Feb 19, 2019 11:04 am

Brexit has likely sped up what they were going to do anyway within the next decade. With a plant already running at just half its capacity, were they ever going to upgrade it for electric and hybrid cars? Do workers there have the expertise? How much retraining would have been required?

Manufacturing is in irreversible decline in the UK, we're a software and services country now. What you're looking at will be things like Deliveroo.

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PostRe: Brexit Thread 2
by Moggy » Tue Feb 19, 2019 11:33 am

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PostRe: Brexit Thread 2
by aayl1 » Tue Feb 19, 2019 12:08 pm

Moggy wrote:Sounds like the Swindon plant has not been successful for a while. If they say it is not to do with Brexit then I guess we have to believe them although I am sure that Brexit has not helped the situation.


Or they have plenty of cars they still hope to sell here and blaming 17 million potential customers on this decision isn't the smartest PR move.

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by Jenuall » Tue Feb 19, 2019 12:11 pm

Brexit will rarely, if ever, be the sole reason for any organisation taking a decision like this, but it's a fact that it will be contributing factor to all of these closures, reductions and relocation's we are seeing happen over the recent past.

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PostRe: Brexit Thread 2
by Moggy » Tue Feb 19, 2019 12:29 pm

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PostRe: Brexit Thread 2
by Jenuall » Tue Feb 19, 2019 12:47 pm

At the end of the day you have to remember that the Honda people are very hard to please.

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PostRe: Brexit Thread 2
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by Victor Mildew » Tue Feb 19, 2019 12:54 pm

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by Squinty » Tue Feb 19, 2019 3:50 pm

Jenuall wrote:At the end of the day you have to remember that the Honda people are very hard to please.


Nice box of Crunchy Nut you got there, pretty expensive as I recall.

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by Jenuall » Tue Feb 19, 2019 3:58 pm

Squinty wrote:
Jenuall wrote:At the end of the day you have to remember that the Honda people are very hard to please.


Nice box of Crunchy Nut you got there, pretty expensive as I recall.


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PostRe: Brexit Thread 2
by Victor Mildew » Tue Feb 19, 2019 6:17 pm

Jenuall wrote:
Squinty wrote:
Jenuall wrote:At the end of the day you have to remember that the Honda people are very hard to please.


Nice box of Crunchy Nut you got there, pretty expensive as I recall.


Not so rich and successful now with a piece of wood in your face!


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PostRe: Brexit Thread 2
by Jenuall » Tue Feb 19, 2019 6:27 pm

Ad7 wrote:
Jenuall wrote:
Squinty wrote:
Jenuall wrote:At the end of the day you have to remember that the Honda people are very hard to please.


Nice box of Crunchy Nut you got there, pretty expensive as I recall.


Not so rich and successful now with a piece of wood in your face!


The longer the note, the more powerful the dread.

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