Brexit Thread 2

[DML]

I might get popcorn for Tuesday. I think Bercow would deny a delay tbh. Time for a lot of bullshitting to end.

[KK]

Brexit and the U.S. Shutdown: Two Governments in Paralysis

LONDON — In Parliament, lawmakers are mired in gridlock over Britain’s departure from the European Union, with no clear path forward. In Washington, President Trump stormed out of a meeting with congressional leaders who oppose his border wall, hardening a standoff that has shut down much of the government for longer than ever before.

Two governments paralyzed. Two populist projects stalled. Two venerable democracies in crisis.

Rarely have British and American politics seemed quite so synchronized as they do in the chilly dawn of 2019, three years after the victories of Brexit and Donald J. Trump upended the two nations’ political establishments. The countries seem subject to a single ideological weather system — one that pits pro-globalization elites against a left-behind hinterland.

The similarities abound: Brexiteers love to compare their cause to America’s war for independence. At a recent right-wing rally, one man marched with a scale model of the Liberty Bell. Mr. Trump has exuberantly backed Brexit, while his friend, the Brexit godfather Nigel Farage, appears on Fox News, invoking Europe’s migrant crisis as a reason to back Mr. Trump’s wall.

“It’s stunning how parallel this is,” said Stephen K. Bannon, who was an architect of Mr. Trump’s immigration policy as his former chief strategist, and is an ally of Mr. Farage. “If you’re going to challenge the system, the system is going to fight back.”

Mr. Bannon likened what he said was the growing possibility that Mr. Trump will declare a state of national emergency to build his wall over the objections of Congress to the once inconceivable but now real possibility that Britain will withdraw from the European Union in March without reaching a deal with Brussels — a so-called hard Brexit.

The rest: https://www.nytimes.com/2019/01/12/us/p ... e=Homepage

[more heat than light]

Anyone else semi-worried that the government are actually going to win this vote? It wouldn't be out of the realms of fantasy that the Tories have been creating an air of chaos simply so they can walk in on Tuesday and all vote for the deal. Bet plenty of Lab MPs will have been scared by the prospect of no-deal too.

[Moggy]

Anyone else semi-worried that the government are actually going to win this vote? It wouldn't be out of the realms of fantasy that the Tories have been creating an air of chaos simply so they can walk in on Tuesday and all vote for the deal. Bet plenty of Lab MPs will have been scared by the prospect of no-deal too.

The latest reports are that they’ll lose by around 200 votes.

It’d be a MASSIVE shock if they managed to win this.

[more heat than light]

Yes, but those reports come from asking MPs their opinions right? They don't have to be truthful. What I'd they're all actually planning to go and vote for the May's deal? Have I just got my conspiracy theory hat on?

[Errkal]

I don’t think this government is capable of something so well planned and clever.

[Moggy]

Yes, but those reports come from asking MPs their opinions right? They don't have to be truthful. What I'd they're all actually planning to go and vote for the May's deal? Have I just got my conspiracy theory hat on?

I’m sure some of them are not telling the truth or that some will change their minds. But 200 of them?

Anything is possible, but it seems more likely that Elvis is still alive.

[more heat than light]

Well you'd need 100 to swing a 200 lead.

[Moggy]

Well you'd need 100 to swing a 200 lead.

I don’t like to think of MPs and swinging.

[Errkal]

Well you'd need 100 to swing a 200 lead.

I don’t like to think of MPs and swinging.

They are Tories, it’s always a possibility

[Moggy]

Well you'd need 100 to swing a 200 lead.

I don’t like to think of MPs and swinging.

They are Tories, it’s always a possibility

It’s a guarantee, that’s why it’s best not to think about it.

[KK]

Neil Warnock has used a post-match press conference to attack the government’s handling of Brexit negotiations – insisting a clean exit from the EU will be better for Britain “football-wise”, and “in every aspect”.

The Cardiff City manager, speaking following his side’s 0-0 draw with Huddersfield, dismissed claims that Brexit will make it harder for Premier League clubs to sign players – then called on Theresa May to deliver on the referendum result.

“I think once the country knows what they’re doing, it will be straightforward [to make signings] … Any transfer window is difficult for me, not just this one.”

He continued: “I don’t know why politicians don’t do what the country wants, if I’m honest. They had a referendum and now we see different politicians and everyone else trying to put their foot in it … Why did we have a referendum in the first bloody place?

“I can’t wait to get out of it, if I’m honest. I think we’ll be far better out of the bloody thing. In every aspect. Football-wise as well, absolutely. To hell with the rest of the world.”

https://www.theguardian.com/football/20 ... exit-leave

[Drumstick]

What a surprise, a gammon wants to leave.

[Moggy]

Cut to August 2019 and Colin moaning that he can’t sign any players whereas Man U, Liverpool, Man City and Chelsea are signing up loads of internationals.

[Errkal]

Last line sums up so much of the idiot attitude around all this

“Sod the rest of the world”

These people honestly think they can’t just roll up the channel tunnel and pretend like only the uk exists.

[Rex Kramer]

Neil Warnock has used a post-match press conference to attack the government’s handling of Brexit negotiations – insisting a clean exit from the EU will be better for Britain “football-wise”, and “in every aspect”.

The Cardiff City manager, speaking following his side’s 0-0 draw with Huddersfield, dismissed claims that Brexit will make it harder for Premier League clubs to sign players – then called on Theresa May to deliver on the referendum result.

“I think once the country knows what they’re doing, it will be straightforward [to make signings] … Any transfer window is difficult for me, not just this one.”

He continued: “I don’t know why politicians don’t do what the country wants, if I’m honest. They had a referendum and now we see different politicians and everyone else trying to put their foot in it … Why did we have a referendum in the first bloody place?

“I can’t wait to get out of it, if I’m honest. I think we’ll be far better out of the bloody thing. In every aspect. Football-wise as well, absolutely. To hell with the rest of the world.”

https://www.theguardian.com/football/20 ... exit-leave

Once a Colin Wanker, always a Colin Wanker

[Moggy]

Corbyn still believes in unicorns.

[captain red dog]

Corbyn still believes in unicorns.

To be absolutely fair to him, I can see the reasoning that every single avenue needs to be explored before calling for a second referendum as that will immediately cause a massive backlash and calls of "betrayal of democracy". Just like with the vote of no confidence in the government, the timing for calling for that has to be absolutely spot on.

Had he gone for the VOC before Christmas it would have been lost. Just with Rees-Mogg and his confidence motion in May, you can't shoot your load too early so to speak.

If he can force an election and win a majority (debatable) then he can also be confident that when he concludes his negotiations he can then put a referendum bill through parliament, presumably for either "new deal or remain".

That's how I see it possibly going, but he has to get the timing right to call for the referendum. If they don't get a majority in a GE, then again he needs to time that call right but with the Tories further weekend then the opportunity is there.

[Moggy]

Corbyn still believes in unicorns.

To be absolutely fair to him, I can see the reasoning that every single avenue needs to be explored before calling for a second referendum as that will immediately cause a massive backlash and calls of "betrayal of democracy". Just like with the vote of no confidence in the government, the timing for calling for that has to be absolutely spot on.

Had he gone for the VOC before Christmas it would have been lost. Just with Rees-Mogg and his confidence motion in May, you can't shoot your load too early so to speak.

If he can force an election and win a majority (debatable) then he can also be confident that when he concludes his negotiations he can then put a referendum bill through parliament, presumably for either "new deal or remain".

That's how I see it possibly going, but he has to get the timing right to call for the referendum. If they don't get a majority in a GE, then again he needs to time that call right but with the Tories further weekend then the opportunity is there.

I was referring to his interview on Marr this morning where he said he believed he could negotiate a better deal and refused to acknowledge that we couldn’t have all the benefits of membership while being out.

Pure unicorn cakeism.

[Errkal]

But the EU already said no other deal is there to make, it’s this or nothing. So anything other than saying “what we have or out” is just wasting even more time.

The time to fight this gooseberry fool was over a year ago when he was giving may a free pass to do strawberry float all.