Brexit Thread 2

[Moggy]

And there was me thinking you don't get a transition period if you leave with no deal. Silly me.

You aren't believing hard enough.

Do you think BMW would let it happen?

[Moggy]

twitter.com/thetimes/status/1141235706255331329

Great news as long as he confirms a Remain option will be on the ballot.

[Errkal]

twitter.com/thetimes/status/1141235706255331329

Great news as long as he confirms a Remain option will be on the ballot.

It will be a choice of unicorn colour only.

[Drumstick]

I feel like we've had so many of the stories about Corbyn actually doing something sensible concerning Brexit, only for that story to be confirmed as incorrect or Corbyn to do a u-turn mere hours later.

[Moggy]

"And that is why I support a referendum based on two options, full unicorn or a Labour led initiative of sticking a plastic horn onto a horse"

[Hexx]

twitter.com/PippaCrerar/status/1141364757036974081

[Rex Kramer]

Nicely worded to avoid putting remain on the ballot paper.

[Hexx]

Nicely worded to avoid putting remain on the ballot paper.

I pretty much antiCorbyn but it's hard to see real choices for remain voters as meaning much else.

(Watch me be proved wrong)

BUT it obviously doesn't commit Labor to a remain position on the referendum

[Moggy]

Nicely worded to avoid putting remain on the ballot paper.

That was my thought, it’s not out and out confirming that Labour would put Remain as an option, just that Remain and Leave voters would have “real choices”.

[Lagamorph]

If Corbyn has his way then a "real choice" for Remain voters will be a Labour Unicorn Soft Brexit, not Remain.

[Squinty]

Jeremy Corbyn is a twat.

[Garth]

twitter.com/Peston/status/1141387530106998784

twitter.com/Peston/status/1141387532992688128

[Moggy]

[tweet]https://mobile.twitter.com/melanielatest/status/1141301465576816640[/tweet]

Things are now so mental that hard Leavers are claiming the head of the Vote Leave campaign is a Remainer.



Edit: tweet isn’t working so here’s a screenshot.

[Lex-Man]

[tweet]https://mobile.twitter.com/melanielatest/status/1141301465576816640[/tweet]

Things are now so mental that hard Leavers are claiming the head of the Vote Leave campaign is a Remainer.



Edit: tweet isn’t working so here’s a screenshot.

Because of course the civil service are a unified force who all think in one m mind.

[Samuel_1]

Jeremy Corbyn is a twat.

Why?
I don't share your view at all, I actually believe he wants to make our society fairer. His manifesto was really positive and his voting record is pretty solid.
I understand that people are frustrated by Labour's stance on Brexit under Corbyn, but he is trying to work within a divided party; MPs, if not members. They do seem to be the only party that is trying to find some sort of compromise. People can throw around the term unicorn all they like, but unless Labour actually get to negotiate a deal with the EU, no one knows what the outcome would be, do not forget that the EU did make positive noises about Labour's proposal, which was voted down in the commons. Unfortunately May has wasted so much time that the prospect of further negotiations seem unlikely. As I have stated numerous times, Labour is in a difficult position when it comes to Brexit, as there constituent base is divided on the issue. Their logical desire to reach a compromise has been met with criticism from both sides, who will only except their desired out come.

I voted remain and would do so again. However, we must accept that a second referendum may not give a remain result (even though I hope it would), it would also lead to the possibility of severe civil unrest. As I have alluded to, a compromise doesn't seem to be working, so a second referendum might be the only answer, but it might also be a toxic one for the Labour party. This worries me, because continued rule by the Tories, or God forbid, a Tory, BP coalition terrifies me as much as Brexit.

[Lagamorph]

Regardless of anything else Corbyn is a massive hypocrite who hates his own methods being used against him. He basically made his entire political career put of defying the party line in order to vote based on his principles, yet he's shown he's all too happy to punish others who do the same now that he's the one in charge. And his pro-Brexit stance and attempts to slither around party policy by putting in caveats ("Support a referendum but only on a Tory Brexit deal") before being forced to backtrack shows he's perfectly happy to put his personal goals ahead of the good of the country.

And Unicorns are exactly what you can describe a proposed Labour deal as right now. The official position was still an end to Freedom of Movement, and with that policy May's deal is the best you're going to get. That position softened a bit to "it's up for negotiation" but that's utter bullshit, it's not up for negotiation, you either accept it or you don't, that's it.

[Kezzer]

Brexit has always been about airport queues. Once we are out of Europe we won't need to wait for ages to be let in to, we will just glide through the currently unused RoW border checkpoints.

[Squinty]

Jeremy Corbyn is a twat.

Why?
I don't share your view at all, I actually believe he wants to make our society fairer. His manifesto was really positive and his voting record is pretty solid.
I understand that people are frustrated by Labour's stance on Brexit under Corbyn, but he is trying to work within a divided party; MPs, if not members. They do seem to be the only party that is trying to find some sort of compromise. People can throw around the term unicorn all they like, but unless Labour actually get to negotiate a deal with the EU, no one knows what the outcome would be, do not forget that the EU did make positive noises about Labour's proposal, which was voted down in the commons. Unfortunately May has wasted so much time that the prospect of further negotiations seem unlikely. As I have stated numerous times, Labour is in a difficult position when it comes to Brexit, as there constituent base is divided on the issue. Their logical desire to reach a compromise has been met with criticism from both sides, who will only except their desired out come.

I voted remain and would do so again. However, we must accept that a second referendum may not give a remain result (even though I hope it would), it would also lead to the possibility of severe civil unrest. As I have alluded to, a compromise doesn't seem to be working, so a second referendum might be the only answer, but it might also be a toxic one for the Labour party. This worries me, because continued rule by the Tories, or God forbid, a Tory, BP coalition terrifies me as much as Brexit.

I probably would've agreed with you in 2017. I thought he was very sincere when that election was being run. Andhe gave me a bit of hope about the future.

My main issue, is his brexit policy, and it basically does away with any props I can give him for the sincerity he might have. He wants to help the poor, yet is actively wanting something that will damage them the worst. It makes no sense.

Any hope I had in him, is gone at this point, due to his poor leadership, fence sitting, and his parties wishy washy half commitments. He is an extremely bad leader and labour need to get shot of him for them to stand a chance.

[Moggy]

Corbyn has done his best to sit on the fence throughout Brexit and it is going to cost the Labour party huge numbers of votes at the next election. Leavers are convinced he is pro-Remain, Remainers are convinced he is pro-Leave. Neither side will vote for him in great numbers and he therefore condemns the entire country to Tory/BP rule for the foreseeable future.

We do not live in times where it is possible to sit on the fence with an issue like this, the entire country is polarised and nobody is going to budge.

And there is no compromise he can make unless he is selling unicorns. A Tory Brexit would kill his party forever, a Labour “deal” doesn’t exist and will not exist as the EU are not going to reopen negotiations now unless there are absolutely massive changes.

That’s the main reason he is a twat.

Nobody is saying that Remain would definitely win another referendum. The signs suggest that it would, but we obviously don’t know that unless it happens. But we shouldn’t avoid having one just because some far right twats threaten civil unrest. If you give into the far right it doesn’t mean they go away, it just means they come back with even more extreme demands.

[Squinty]

I also have to say, I severely doubt there will be any kind of huge civil unrest.

We haven't left. Twice. A guy held disrupted a train station the first time. It was a complete anticlimax for anyone who openly hoped there would be.