Brexit Thread 2

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How would you vote if we had to vote again?

Leave
12
7%
Remain
159
93%
 
Total votes: 171
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PostRe: Brexit Thread 2
by TV Dinner » Thu Jul 04, 2019 2:51 pm

Does anyone actually think Widdecombe would have supported the emancipation of slaves?

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PostRe: Brexit Thread 2
by Moggy » Thu Jul 04, 2019 3:02 pm

TV Dinner wrote:Does anyone actually think Widdecombe would have supported the emancipation of slaves?


Of course she would, she seems the sort that would fight for the downtrodden against the elites. ;)

She’s just been elected to the European Parliament but thinks we’re a slave state. I genuinely don’t know if she’s stupid, mad or trolling. Probably a bit of all three.

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PostRe: Brexit Thread 2
by Squinty » Thu Jul 04, 2019 4:24 pm

Talks about oppression.

Actively campaigns for something which will make people have less rights.

Okayyyyyyy

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PostRe: Brexit Thread 2
by Moggy » Fri Jul 05, 2019 7:54 am



More of this sort of sensible action and we might stand a chance.

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PostRe: Brexit Thread 2
by Jenuall » Fri Jul 05, 2019 8:01 am

Sadly sensible action seems to be in short supply these days. :(

Great to see though and this is absolutely the kind of thing that is needed!

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by Moggy » Fri Jul 05, 2019 8:31 am

Jenuall wrote:Sadly sensible action seems to be in short supply these days. :(

Great to see though and this is absolutely the kind of thing that is needed!


It's crazy that left or Remain leaning people sometime cannot see just how sensible it is. For far too long Labour, Lib Dem, Green, SNP/Plaid have been competing for the same people while the Tories had no serious competition for the right wing votes.

With the Brexit Party arriving and seemingly doing well in the polls, now is the time for Remain parties to stand aside for each other to ensure that they don't cannibalise each other. If the Leave vote gets split between Tory and BP then only having one Remain party available will hopefully ensure far more Remain MPs get elected.

It'll be essential that that happens at the next GE when I imagine Farage will have his 8th go at becoming an MP.

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by Jenuall » Fri Jul 05, 2019 9:11 am

Moggy wrote:
Jenuall wrote:Sadly sensible action seems to be in short supply these days. :(

Great to see though and this is absolutely the kind of thing that is needed!


It's crazy that left or Remain leaning people sometime cannot see just how sensible it is. For far too long Labour, Lib Dem, Green, SNP/Plaid have been competing for the same people while the Tories had no serious competition for the right wing votes.

With the Brexit Party arriving and seemingly doing well in the polls, now is the time for Remain parties to stand aside for each other to ensure that they don't cannibalise each other. If the Leave vote gets split between Tory and BP then only having one Remain party available will hopefully ensure far more Remain MPs get elected.

It'll be essential that that happens at the next GE when I imagine Farage will have his 8th go at becoming an MP.

Agreed 100%. I just cannot fathom how we have managed to get so close to this cliff edge without the Remain leaning parties being prepared to set aside some differences and take action for the common good.

Compromise is not a dirty word!

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by Moggy » Fri Jul 05, 2019 9:18 am

Jenuall wrote:
Moggy wrote:
Jenuall wrote:Sadly sensible action seems to be in short supply these days. :(

Great to see though and this is absolutely the kind of thing that is needed!


It's crazy that left or Remain leaning people sometime cannot see just how sensible it is. For far too long Labour, Lib Dem, Green, SNP/Plaid have been competing for the same people while the Tories had no serious competition for the right wing votes.

With the Brexit Party arriving and seemingly doing well in the polls, now is the time for Remain parties to stand aside for each other to ensure that they don't cannibalise each other. If the Leave vote gets split between Tory and BP then only having one Remain party available will hopefully ensure far more Remain MPs get elected.

It'll be essential that that happens at the next GE when I imagine Farage will have his 8th go at becoming an MP.

Agreed 100%. I just cannot fathom how we have managed to get so close to this cliff edge without the Remain leaning parties being prepared to set aside some differences and take action for the common good.

Compromise is not a dirty word!


Compromise can be, depends what you are doing.....

Even in normal GE's is mental that the parties don't look at the numbers and figure out what is better.

For example if there was an area with this breakdown:

Conservative: 19,521 votes
Labour: 16,376 votes
Lib Dem: 3,199 votes
Green: 1,754 votes

It is strawberry floating crazy that in the above sort of example that the Lib Dems or Greens would stand, they might not agree with Labour, but their voters almost certainly share far more in common with Labour than they do with the Tories.

One of the biggest troubles the left has faced is needing to be pure - "Oh I couldn't vote for them because they don't agree with me 100%". It's that sort of shite that has allowed the Tories to rule for the majority of the last century.

This might become a problem for the right wing though if the BP are as strong as it currently looks. Instead of having a free run against a left split 3 or 4 ways, the Tories might see some real competition for those right wing voters.

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PostRe: Brexit Thread 2
by Lagamorph » Fri Jul 05, 2019 9:48 am

Honestly, the Lib Dems and Greens would be better off uniting into a single brand new party that can dump the Lib Dem baggage by putting Caroline Lucas in charge.

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PostRe: Brexit Thread 2
by Moggy » Sun Jul 07, 2019 5:30 pm



Good stuff from McDonnell. Let’s hope he can get Corbyn to make a bloody decision.

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by Lex-Man » Sun Jul 07, 2019 6:29 pm

Moggy wrote:

Good stuff from McDonnell. Let’s hope he can get Corbyn to make a bloody decision.


It's taken them three years and they still don't have a position to.

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by Moggy » Sun Jul 07, 2019 6:32 pm

Lex-Man wrote:
Moggy wrote:

Good stuff from McDonnell. Let’s hope he can get Corbyn to make a bloody decision.


It's taken them three years and they still don't have a position to.


I think most of Labour have a position.

Corbyn though. :fp:

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PostRe: Brexit Thread 2
by Errkal » Sun Jul 07, 2019 8:07 pm

Useless, hopeless, incompetent, fuckfaced, shithead.

Anyone defending that strawberry floating clown is either a moron or willfully ignorant.

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by Return_of_the_STAR » Sun Jul 07, 2019 8:10 pm

I can't believe McDonnell can sit there and say he wants to remain but then still praise Corbyn as being wiser than him as he just wants to form a consensus.

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PostRe: Brexit Thread 2
by captain red dog » Mon Jul 08, 2019 2:17 pm

Yes my patience with Corbyn has long since run out. I can see the need to be tactically cautious, but he has been so cautious that it's hurting their share of the vote. If Labour became the party of remain, I think they would pull in a lot of votes that are otherwise going wasted on the smaller parties.

That said, I think he has to step down as leader and hand it on to someone else. Whoever you feel is to blame, Corbyn as a brand is too toxic to lead a party to power now. The damage is done and he is a write off.

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by Squinty » Mon Jul 08, 2019 5:43 pm

captain red dog wrote:That said, I think he has to step down as leader and hand it on to someone else. Whoever you feel is to blame, Corbyn as a brand is too toxic to lead a party to power now. The damage is done and he is a write off.


I agree.

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PostRe: Brexit Thread 2
by Moggy » Mon Jul 08, 2019 6:53 pm



Widdecombe also voted for the Maastricht Treaty and against holding a referendum on it.


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