Brexit Thread 2

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How would you vote if we had to vote again?

Leave
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Remain
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PostRe: Brexit Thread 2
by Moggy » Tue May 29, 2018 1:05 pm

BID0 wrote:Government hikes fees to renounce British citizenship after Brexit foreign nationality surge
The Home Office has hiked fees sharply for UK nationals to renounce their British nationality, following a Brexit surge in people adopting the citizenship of other European countries.

Ministers were accused of “cashing in on Brexit” and giving Britons living on the continent a “last kick out the door” after it emerged fees were quietly raised to more than £1,000 for a family of three.

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/p ... 69706.html


That’s strawberry floating disgusting.

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PostRe: Brexit Thread 2
by BID0 » Tue May 29, 2018 2:44 pm

The Brexit tagline

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PostRe: Brexit Thread 2
by Karl_ » Tue May 29, 2018 3:03 pm

Eh? Why does it cost anything to renounce your citizenship? :?

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PostRe: Brexit Thread 2
by Moggy » Tue May 29, 2018 3:18 pm

Karl wrote:Eh? Why does it cost anything to renounce your citizenship? :?


If you are a black British citizen then they will deport you for free.

If you are a white British citizen then you are a disgusting traitor and ought to pay dearly for your betrayal.

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PostRe: Brexit Thread 2
by Squinty » Tue May 29, 2018 7:47 pm



Remember the guy who phoned O'Brien about customs checks? He got to speak to Mogg.

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PostRe: Brexit Thread 2
by BID0 » Tue May 29, 2018 8:45 pm

Karl wrote:Eh? Why does it cost anything to renounce your citizenship? :?

I actually thought the same thing when I first saw the headline :lol:

What are they going to do if you don’t pay? Renounce you even harder?!

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PostRe: Brexit Thread 2
by Return_of_the_STAR » Wed May 30, 2018 1:22 am

Squinty wrote:

Remember the guy who phoned O'Brien about customs checks? He got to speak to Mogg.


Such a shame he didn’t get more time to have a proper conversation with him. Sometimes it feels like the media protect the politicians.

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PostRe: Brexit Thread 2
by BID0 » Wed May 30, 2018 1:56 pm

Revealed: industrial-scale beef farming comes to the UK
Investigation uncovers about a dozen intensive beef units, despite assurances that US-style practices would not happen here

Thousands of British cattle reared for supermarket beef are being fattened in industrial-scale units where livestock have little or no access to pasture.

Research by the Guardian and the Bureau of Investigative Journalism has established that the UK is now home to a number of industrial-scale fattening units with herds of up to 3,000 cattle at a time being held in grassless pens for extended periods rather than being grazed or barn-reared.

Intensive beef farms, known as Concentrated Animal Feeding Operations (CAFOs) are commonplace in the US. But the practice of intensive beef farming in the UK has not previously been widely acknowledged – and the findings have sparked the latest clash over the future of British farming.


https://www.theguardian.com/environment ... -to-the-uk

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by KK » Wed May 30, 2018 2:09 pm

Return_of_the_STAR wrote:Such a shame he didn’t get more time to have a proper conversation with him. Sometimes it feels like the media protect the politicians.

Many of them never answer the questions, refuse to come on or claim to have limited time, though Mogg is usually the exception. It’s why Question Time can also be quite frustrating (both the TV programme and Wednesday with the PM). You could just cut them off like on GMB, and while it makes the politicians look stupid, it still leaves the public nonethewiser.

You should have seen Jeremy Hunt running away from Hugh Fearnley-Whittingstall on Fat Fight the other week, it was embarrassing. Hunt had time to schmooze with everyone else though.

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by Lex-Man » Wed May 30, 2018 2:17 pm

KK wrote:
Return_of_the_STAR wrote:Such a shame he didn’t get more time to have a proper conversation with him. Sometimes it feels like the media protect the politicians.

Many of them never answer the questions, refuse to come on or claim to have limited time, though Mogg is usually the exception. It’s why Question Time can also be quite frustrating (both the TV programme and Wednesday with the PM). You could just cut them off like on GMB, and while it makes the politicians look stupid, it still leaves the public nonethewiser.

You should have seen Jeremy Hunt running away from Hugh Fearnley-Whittingstall on Fat Fight the other week, it was embarrassing. Hunt had time to schmooze with everyone else though.



The problem is Mogg didn't actually answer any of the guy's questions. His basic answer was that the guy was spreading scare stories and that it'll all get sorted.

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PostRe: Brexit Thread 2
by Moggy » Wed May 30, 2018 2:33 pm

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KK wrote:
Return_of_the_STAR wrote:Such a shame he didn’t get more time to have a proper conversation with him. Sometimes it feels like the media protect the politicians.

Many of them never answer the questions, refuse to come on or claim to have limited time, though Mogg is usually the exception. It’s why Question Time can also be quite frustrating (both the TV programme and Wednesday with the PM). You could just cut them off like on GMB, and while it makes the politicians look stupid, it still leaves the public nonethewiser.

You should have seen Jeremy Hunt running away from Hugh Fearnley-Whittingstall on Fat Fight the other week, it was embarrassing. Hunt had time to schmooze with everyone else though.



The problem is Mogg didn't actually answer any of the guy's questions. His basic answer was that the guy was spreading scare stories and that it'll all get sorted.


Mogg makes himself available because he is an ambitious MP that is not yet in the cabinet. He needs to get himself out there and make himself as visible as possible. He very rarely steps outside of his comfort zone though, he sticks to presenters and interviewers that he knows will not give him a hard time. It must have been quite a shock to him when Nick Ferrari let the van driver speak. :lol:

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PostRe: Brexit Thread 2
by KK » Wed May 30, 2018 3:56 pm

Theresa May is chairing a meeting of business leaders and industrialists to discuss Brexit at Number 10 this afternoon.

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PostRe: Brexit Thread 2
by Squinty » Wed May 30, 2018 9:38 pm


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PostRe: Brexit Thread 2
by NickSCFC » Thu May 31, 2018 9:03 am

Second referendum campaign to be launched on June 8th

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/p ... 75071.html

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by Tafdolphin » Thu May 31, 2018 9:07 am

Squinty wrote:

Remember the guy who phoned O'Brien about customs checks? He got to speak to Mogg.


Never heard Rees-Mogg's voice before. Wasn't disappointed.

EDIT: It's very soothing, disappointingly.

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by Photek » Thu May 31, 2018 9:39 am

BID0 wrote:Revealed: industrial-scale beef farming comes to the UK
Investigation uncovers about a dozen intensive beef units, despite assurances that US-style practices would not happen here

Thousands of British cattle reared for supermarket beef are being fattened in industrial-scale units where livestock have little or no access to pasture.

Research by the Guardian and the Bureau of Investigative Journalism has established that the UK is now home to a number of industrial-scale fattening units with herds of up to 3,000 cattle at a time being held in grassless pens for extended periods rather than being grazed or barn-reared.

Intensive beef farms, known as Concentrated Animal Feeding Operations (CAFOs) are commonplace in the US. But the practice of intensive beef farming in the UK has not previously been widely acknowledged – and the findings have sparked the latest clash over the future of British farming.


https://www.theguardian.com/environment ... -to-the-uk

This may be way off but I presumed this was kind of the norm in the UK (esp England) because of space issues. Cattle over here is almost exclusively in open pastures and grass fed because as small as we are, we have a relatively small population and even in Dublin we have farms that aren't too far from the City Centre.

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PostRe: Brexit Thread 2
by BID0 » Thu May 31, 2018 11:36 am

Photek wrote:
BID0 wrote:Revealed: industrial-scale beef farming comes to the UK
Investigation uncovers about a dozen intensive beef units, despite assurances that US-style practices would not happen here

Thousands of British cattle reared for supermarket beef are being fattened in industrial-scale units where livestock have little or no access to pasture.

Research by the Guardian and the Bureau of Investigative Journalism has established that the UK is now home to a number of industrial-scale fattening units with herds of up to 3,000 cattle at a time being held in grassless pens for extended periods rather than being grazed or barn-reared.

Intensive beef farms, known as Concentrated Animal Feeding Operations (CAFOs) are commonplace in the US. But the practice of intensive beef farming in the UK has not previously been widely acknowledged – and the findings have sparked the latest clash over the future of British farming.


https://www.theguardian.com/environment ... -to-the-uk

This may be way off but I presumed this was kind of the norm in the UK (esp England) because of space issues. Cattle over here is almost exclusively in open pastures and grass fed because as small as we are, we have a relatively small population and even in Dublin we have farms that aren't too far from the City Centre.

As far as I was aware that was the case here too. You don't have to travel far out from London before you start hitting farm land and pastures. This obviously isn't the case as it looks like they are bringing up animals on industrial estates :dread: not sure of the health implications there (both of the product and also local businesses and their employees)

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PostRe: Brexit Thread 2
by Moggy » Thu May 31, 2018 12:18 pm

A leading Brexit campaigner, who lives in south-west France, is applying for his official French residency card.

Lord Lawson, who you may remember for being the former Vote Leave chairman and also for denying climate change on the Today programme with nobody to challenge him, has told Connexion he’s applying for his carte de sejour, a document that secures his rights to remain in Gascony post-Brexit.

https://inews.co.uk/news/brexit/nigel-l ... ote-leave/


What a banana split. :lol:

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by Alvin Flummux » Thu May 31, 2018 12:27 pm

Moggy wrote:
A leading Brexit campaigner, who lives in south-west France, is applying for his official French residency card.

Lord Lawson, who you may remember for being the former Vote Leave chairman and also for denying climate change on the Today programme with nobody to challenge him, has told Connexion he’s applying for his carte de sejour, a document that secures his rights to remain in Gascony post-Brexit.

https://inews.co.uk/news/brexit/nigel-l ... ote-leave/


What a banana split. :lol:


Live in the mess you made, Lawson! :x :x

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PostRe: Brexit Thread 2
by BID0 » Thu May 31, 2018 1:00 pm

'Trump with better hair': how Obama White House saw Boris Johnson
The Obama White House viewed Boris Johnson as a British version of Donald Trump “with better hair”, according to a forthcoming memoir by a former top presidential adviser.

In the World as It Is: A Memoir of the Obama White House, Ben Rhodes, a deputy national security adviser and speechwriter for the former president, describes eight years of domestic and foreign policy making, culminating in the shock of Trump’s victory in November 2016.

In the book, due to be published on 5 June, Rhodes recounts a “hastily arranged” trip to London in April 2016 aimed at bolstering the then prime minister, David Cameron, and argue the case for remaining in the EU, two months before the UK referendum on Brexit.

“It was unusual to coordinate so closely with a foreign government, but the Brits were different, and Brexit would be calamitous, a crucial piece of the post-world war two order drifting off into the sea,” Rhodes recalls.

Obama agreed to fly to London after Cameron’s chief of staff, Ed Llewellyn, now ambassador to Paris, emailed Rhodes appealing for a presidential visit, pointing out that the polls were finely balanced and Obama had an approval rating in the UK of over 70%.

As part of his contribution to the campaign, Obama published a pro-Remain commentary in the Daily Telegraph to coincide with his arrival. But Johnson, who was then mayor of London, published an opposing commentary in the Sun, saying that Obama had had a bust of Winston Churchill removed from the Oval Office, and attributing the move to “the part-Kenyan president’s ancestral dislike of the British Empire – of which Churchill had been such a fervent defender”.

Johnson’s comments were denounced by Labour politicians as “dog-whistle racism” and the mayor was derided by Churchill’s grandson, Nicholas Soames, as, “unreliable and idle about the facts”. According to Rhodes’ account, Obama was also taken aback by the racial connotations of the attack from Johnson, who three months later would become foreign secretary, in the wake of the Brexit victory.

“Really?” the president is quoted as saying and being read Johnson’s comments. “The black guy doesn’t like the British?”

When Rhodes suggested to Obama that his critics were “more subtle back home”, the president replied: “Not really ... Boris is their Trump”.

“With better hair,” Rhodes added.

At a joint press conference with Cameron during the three-day visit, Obama went out of his way to refute Johnson’s claims about the Churchill bust, pointing out it had been moved to the entrance of his private White House study, known as the Treaty Room, a place where he saw it every day.
“I love the guy,” Obama said. Churchill’s place in the Oval Office was taken by a likeness of Martin Luther King.

In the course of the same press conference, Obama said that if the UK left the EU, it would be “at the back of the queue” when it came to negotiating a new trade agreement with the US. According to Rhodes, the phrase had been used by a British official in an earlier private meeting in Downing Street, and Obama had repeated it publicly at Cameron’s specific request.

Rhodes recalls that Cameron’s aides were “congratulating one another” on Obama’s intervention, and hoped that it would be enough to “inch them over the finish line”.

Brexit leaders later claimed Obama’s visit to London backfired and helped them win the June 2016 referendum due to a backlash against foreign meddling in British politics.

Johnson insisted he had no regrets about raising Obama’s Kenyan ancestry and rejected Obama’s claim that the UK would be at the back of the queue for a US trade deal as “absurd”.

The Trump administration has given mixed signals over where the UK would stand in negotiating a post-Brexit trade pact. Trump himself has suggested the UK would have to take second place to the EU, while the Treasury secretary, Steve Mnuchin has said the UK would be “at the front of the line”.

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/201 ... is-johnson


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