Return_of_the_STAR wrote:It's only currently linked to EU membership or Schengen because currently all it's members belong in one or the other. But it doesn't have to be. The fundamentals of how the system works doesn't require these memberships. It's just that the EU as an institution choose to have that requirement.
True, but that goes for any international agreements. Things work on the rules of the institutions or the governments that operate them. If somebody wants to walk away, then they shouldn’t expect things to carry on as they were.
The UK and Nigeria for example could turn around tomorrow and form exactly the same information sharing agreements in regards to intel and warrants and it wouldn't have to make any difference to the current trade relationships or freedom of movement between the two countries.
I would like to think that we can come to some sort of arrangement on security when we leave but i'm not hopeful if this really is there supported stance.
Of course they could. And so might the UK and EU in the future. But it will not happen automatically and the UK will not get the benefits of being an EU member based on the current red lines set out by the Prime Minister.
Yes we chose to leave, but the EU have accepted that decision and want us to 'get on with it'. Well we can't get on with it without their support. I understand their stance on trade but not on security and intel. It's political hardball that will only hurt both sides and potentially other countries around the world.
We can’t even decide what we want from Brexit. Just the Tory party alone has no idea what it wants. So how can the EU support us, when we don’t have a clue what we actually want?
It will probably hurt both sides, but the fault lies with the lying bastards that got us into this mess.