Brexit Thread 2

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How would you vote if we had to vote again?

Leave
10
7%
Remain
136
93%
 
Total votes: 146
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by DML » Thu Jan 10, 2019 12:10 pm

'Bring the country together'.

There isn't a single remainer in the country who wants a deal.

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by Cuttooth » Thu Jan 10, 2019 12:14 pm

Ignoring the divide between Leave and Remain actually is a great way to unite the country... against Labour.

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by Hexx » Thu Jan 10, 2019 12:20 pm

Cuttooth wrote:Ignoring the divide between Leave and Remain actually is a great way to unite the country... against Labour.


The entire tone of Lab leadership a few times now has been really odd.

It basically comes off as someone annoyed that people won't frame the discussion in the terms they want. 

Politicians don't get to choose the context in which they're operating though - so it just comes across as petulant.



Coming off as MORE out of touch than the Tories is quite a challenge, but it looks like they're going to give it a good go.

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PostRe: Brexit Thread 2
by Squinty » Thu Jan 10, 2019 12:21 pm

He's utterly useless. We all know this, bar his rabid fan cult.

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by satriales » Thu Jan 10, 2019 12:25 pm

Rex Kramer wrote:If that amendment hadn't passed then May would have had 21 sitting days to come up with an alternative plan which probably equates to over a month of real time. It's nonsense to think that was sensible given we've got less than 2 months. I hope to god those no deal strawberry floaters are on the wrong side of history down the line because every man, woman and child needs to make them pay for holding the country to ransom.

It would have been 21 days for her to respond, and then a further week to vote on 'plan b'. So she would have ended up completely wasting two of the last three months and then try to blackmail MPs into voting for her deal with the threat of no time left for anything else to be agreed. Thank god Bercow intervened and stopped them running down the clock any further.

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PostRe: Brexit Thread 2
by Hexx » Thu Jan 10, 2019 12:25 pm

I basically read politics on here and rllmuk. The slavish devotion to him (and the strawman and other attacks on his detractors) are breathtaking.

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PostRe: Brexit Thread 2
by BID0 » Thu Jan 10, 2019 12:52 pm

Are you saying that whenever you have voted for someone you've always 100% agreed with them in every way? I'm sure there are many young people who want to stay in the EU, but perhaps they prioritise that less than other things. Calling them idiots or that they've been conned makes you look like a simpleton.

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by Lagamorph » Thu Jan 10, 2019 12:56 pm

BID0 wrote:Are you saying that whenever you have voted for someone you've always 100% agreed with them in every way? I'm sure there are many young people who want to stay in the EU, but perhaps they prioritise that less than other things. Calling them idiots or that they've been conned makes you look like a simpleton.

Except staying in the EU will impact literally every other thing they prioritise.
Staying in the EU means more jobs.
Staying in the EU means money available for free university education.
Staying in the EU means more money for the NHS.
Staying in the EU means more opportunities for young people across the EU for work and travel.

Saying that young people have been conned into supporting Corbyn doesn't make you look like a simpleton at all.
At the last GE young people seemed convinced Corbyn was actually going to stop Brexit and was playing some nth dimensional chess while it's now obvious to them that was never the case.

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by BID0 » Thu Jan 10, 2019 1:01 pm

Lagamorph wrote:
BID0 wrote:Are you saying that whenever you have voted for someone you've always 100% agreed with them in every way? I'm sure there are many young people who want to stay in the EU, but perhaps they prioritise that less than other things. Calling them idiots or that they've been conned makes you look like a simpleton.

Except staying in the EU will impact literally every other thing they prioritise.
Staying in the EU means more jobs.
Staying in the EU means money available for free university education.
Staying in the EU means more money for the NHS.
Staying in the EU means more opportunities for young people across the EU for work and travel.

Saying that young people have been conned into supporting Corbyn doesn't make you look like a simpleton at all.
At the last GE young people seemed convinced Corbyn was actually going to stop Brexit and was playing some nth dimensional chess while it's now obvious to them that was never the case.

source?

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by Hexx » Thu Jan 10, 2019 1:11 pm

BID0 wrote:
Lagamorph wrote:
BID0 wrote:Are you saying that whenever you have voted for someone you've always 100% agreed with them in every way? I'm sure there are many young people who want to stay in the EU, but perhaps they prioritise that less than other things. Calling them idiots or that they've been conned makes you look like a simpleton.

Except staying in the EU will impact literally every other thing they prioritise.
Staying in the EU means more jobs.
Staying in the EU means money available for free university education.
Staying in the EU means more money for the NHS.
Staying in the EU means more opportunities for young people across the EU for work and travel.

Saying that young people have been conned into supporting Corbyn doesn't make you look like a simpleton at all.
At the last GE young people seemed convinced Corbyn was actually going to stop Brexit and was playing some nth dimensional chess while it's now obvious to them that was never the case.

source?
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Isn't that literally every reputable study or impact analysis of Brexit (or any type) ever?

Edit - Or did you mean the nth dimension stuff, sorry?)

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PostRe: Brexit Thread 2
by Lagamorph » Thu Jan 10, 2019 1:12 pm

BID0 wrote:
Lagamorph wrote:
BID0 wrote:Are you saying that whenever you have voted for someone you've always 100% agreed with them in every way? I'm sure there are many young people who want to stay in the EU, but perhaps they prioritise that less than other things. Calling them idiots or that they've been conned makes you look like a simpleton.

Except staying in the EU will impact literally every other thing they prioritise.
Staying in the EU means more jobs.
Staying in the EU means money available for free university education.
Staying in the EU means more money for the NHS.
Staying in the EU means more opportunities for young people across the EU for work and travel.

Saying that young people have been conned into supporting Corbyn doesn't make you look like a simpleton at all.
At the last GE young people seemed convinced Corbyn was actually going to stop Brexit and was playing some nth dimensional chess while it's now obvious to them that was never the case.

source?

Source for what? That staying in the EU would be beneficial to those things? The source for that is "look at the last few years and how things have gone"
Are you really trying to say that leaving the EU won't impact jobs available for young people? Won't mean there is less money available for education and the NHS?

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by Moggy » Thu Jan 10, 2019 1:13 pm

At the last election there were many different reasons people voted for Labour.

Some believed Corbyn was the leader the country needed.
Some hated the Tories and saw Labour as the only way of getting the Tories out.
Some are hardcore Labour supporters who would vote Labour no matter who was in charge.
Some believed Labour would be better on Brexit than the Tories.
Some looked at the manifesto and thought Labour offered some good ideas.
Some had local Labour MPs who were doing a decent job and decided to stick with them.
Some were in areas with no choice and plumped for Labour as the least worst option.

So not all Labour voters were idiots or simpletons. But those that believe a Corbyn led government would be better on Brexit are seriously wrong. If Corbyn wanted to stop Brexit, he would be leading the opposition (it is literally his job title) against it. Instead he promises similar unicorns to those promised by the likes of Dominic Raab and David Davis.

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PostRe: Brexit Thread 2
by Moggy » Thu Jan 10, 2019 1:30 pm



Oh no they might pay their council tax in pennies and leave the lock gates open. We better go through with bankrupting the country to avoid the risk of late payment of parking fines. :lol:

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PostRe: Brexit Thread 2
by Lagamorph » Thu Jan 10, 2019 1:36 pm


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by Rocsteady » Thu Jan 10, 2019 1:38 pm

Hexx wrote:I basically read politics on here and rllmuk. The slavish devotion to him (and the strawman and other attacks on his detractors) are breathtaking.

Does rllmuk still even have a politics bit?

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by Hexx » Thu Jan 10, 2019 1:52 pm

Rocsteady wrote:
Hexx wrote:I basically read politics on here and rllmuk. The slavish devotion to him (and the strawman and other attacks on his detractors) are breathtaking.

Does rllmuk still even have a politics bit?


Well it has a very left wing discussion area :D

Trying ask why they think the EU would do a bespoke deal for Lab has become a circular and exasperating excercise.

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PostRe: Brexit Thread 2
by Hexx » Thu Jan 10, 2019 1:53 pm

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/20 ... says-no-10

Downing Street has said that if Theresa May’s deal were voted down, any debate over a Brexit plan B would be 90 minutes long and only one amendment would be allowed.

The prime minister’s spokesman told reporters at Thursday morning’s lobby briefing that No 10’s understanding of the Dominic Grieve amendment – which requires May to outline a plan B in three working days if she is defeated – was that only a limited debate would then be allowed.

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by Moggy » Thu Jan 10, 2019 1:55 pm

Hexx wrote:https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2019/jan/10/brexit-plan-b-debate-will-last-only-90-minutes-says-no-10

Downing Street has said that if Theresa May’s deal were voted down, any debate over a Brexit plan B would be 90 minutes long and only one amendment would be allowed.

The prime minister’s spokesman told reporters at Thursday morning’s lobby briefing that No 10’s understanding of the Dominic Grieve amendment – which requires May to outline a plan B in three working days if she is defeated – was that only a limited debate would then be allowed.


She really is batshit crazy. Rather than try and calm things down and bring Parliament together, she comes up with that sort of shite.

The utter contempt that May has for Parliament is breathtaking.

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by Lagamorph » Thu Jan 10, 2019 1:58 pm

Hexx wrote:https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2019/jan/10/brexit-plan-b-debate-will-last-only-90-minutes-says-no-10

Downing Street has said that if Theresa May’s deal were voted down, any debate over a Brexit plan B would be 90 minutes long and only one amendment would be allowed.

The prime minister’s spokesman told reporters at Thursday morning’s lobby briefing that No 10’s understanding of the Dominic Grieve amendment – which requires May to outline a plan B in three working days if she is defeated – was that only a limited debate would then be allowed.

I'm sure that will go well for them.

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PostRe: Brexit Thread 2
by BID0 » Thu Jan 10, 2019 2:08 pm

Lagamorph wrote:
BID0 wrote:
Lagamorph wrote:
BID0 wrote:Are you saying that whenever you have voted for someone you've always 100% agreed with them in every way? I'm sure there are many young people who want to stay in the EU, but perhaps they prioritise that less than other things. Calling them idiots or that they've been conned makes you look like a simpleton.

Except staying in the EU will impact literally every other thing they prioritise.
Staying in the EU means more jobs.
Staying in the EU means money available for free university education.
Staying in the EU means more money for the NHS.
Staying in the EU means more opportunities for young people across the EU for work and travel.

Saying that young people have been conned into supporting Corbyn doesn't make you look like a simpleton at all.
At the last GE young people seemed convinced Corbyn was actually going to stop Brexit and was playing some nth dimensional chess while it's now obvious to them that was never the case.

source?

Source for what? That staying in the EU would be beneficial to those things? The source for that is "look at the last few years and how things have gone"
Are you really trying to say that leaving the EU won't impact jobs available for young people? Won't mean there is less money available for education and the NHS?

The source for the original topic before you changed it... that so many young people voted for labour primarily for staying in the EU. So many young people in fact that you can claim that that entire age group think he is playing 9D chess and are being conned.

For the record I've never heard anyone voting for Labour to stay in the EU. The only people I hear talk about that are the people here. I'm sure that there's probably a handful of fringe people somewhere that did but then it's exactly that, a handful of people.


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