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Return_of_the_STAR wrote:Surely we can remove the backstop by having a longer transition period with it written that we enter the transition period for say up to three years with the intention of agreeing a free trade deal before that time is up. If a deal is not agreed then both sides have the option of either terminating or extending the transition period. That must be the best compromise between no deal and the backstop option.

The backstop is there to ensure the Good Friday Agreement is maintained. The EU’s position is that the backstop has to be there until a solution to the border (that satisfies the GFA) is found.

Leavers are in a tough position because they don’t want the backstop because they know there is no real solution to the border issue (if we keep May’s red lines on immigration). But they have simultaneously argued that the border is easy and that there is no issue there.

They are either idiots, liars or both.

See also the insistence that we “control our borders!” while at the same time claiming that Britain doesn’t want a border on our only land border.

Moggy wrote:

Return_of_the_STAR wrote:Surely we can remove the backstop by having a longer transition period with it written that we enter the transition period for say up to three years with the intention of agreeing a free trade deal before that time is up. If a deal is not agreed then both sides have the option of either terminating or extending the transition period. That must be the best compromise between no deal and the backstop option.

The backstop is there to ensure the Good Friday Agreement is maintained. The EU’s position is that the backstop has to be there until a solution to the border (that satisfies the GFA) is found.

Leavers are in a tough position because they don’t want the backstop because they know there is no real solution to the border issue (if we keep May’s red lines on immigration). But they have simultaneously argued that the border is easy and that there is no issue there.

They are either idiots, liars or both.

See also the insistence that we “control our borders!” while at the same time claiming that Britain doesn’t want a border on our only land border.

In that case I would rather agree to staying in the transition period until a deal is agreed but obviously we wouldn't go for that because of the classic brexit soundbites like 'tied to the EU for ever', 'can't leave until the Germans say so' etc

Return_of_the_STAR wrote:

Moggy wrote:

Return_of_the_STAR wrote:Surely we can remove the backstop by having a longer transition period with it written that we enter the transition period for say up to three years with the intention of agreeing a free trade deal before that time is up. If a deal is not agreed then both sides have the option of either terminating or extending the transition period. That must be the best compromise between no deal and the backstop option.

The backstop is there to ensure the Good Friday Agreement is maintained. The EU’s position is that the backstop has to be there until a solution to the border (that satisfies the GFA) is found.

Leavers are in a tough position because they don’t want the backstop because they know there is no real solution to the border issue (if we keep May’s red lines on immigration). But they have simultaneously argued that the border is easy and that there is no issue there.

They are either idiots, liars or both.

See also the insistence that we “control our borders!” while at the same time claiming that Britain doesn’t want a border on our only land border.

In that case I would rather agree to staying in the transition period until a deal is agreed but obviously we wouldn't go for that because of the classic brexit soundbites like 'tied to the EU for ever', 'can't leave until the Germans say so' etc

A deal is irrelevant to the backstop, so I don’t see where you’re getting this “transition period” from.

The backstop remains until a solution satisfying all of the following criteria:

1. No border between ROI and EU as Ireland remains an EU member
2. No border between NI and ROI due to GFA
3. Border between EU and UK

The backstop is the only possible solution.

twitter.com/hendopolis/status/1087112946726174721

loooooooooool

a reminder of how those cross-party talks went

twitter.com/AlexJFMorales/status/1085900768543162368

Tineash wrote:

twitter.com/hendopolis/status/1087112946726174721

loooooooooool

a reminder of how those cross-party talks went

twitter.com/AlexJFMorales/status/1085900768543162368

You think that's bad? Oh it gets way way worse,

twitter.com/hendopolis/status/1087106238700314625

May literally thinks she can just re-write/amend the Good Friday Agreement

tolrag wrote:

Return_of_the_STAR wrote:

Moggy wrote:

Return_of_the_STAR wrote:Surely we can remove the backstop by having a longer transition period with it written that we enter the transition period for say up to three years with the intention of agreeing a free trade deal before that time is up. If a deal is not agreed then both sides have the option of either terminating or extending the transition period. That must be the best compromise between no deal and the backstop option.

The backstop is there to ensure the Good Friday Agreement is maintained. The EU’s position is that the backstop has to be there until a solution to the border (that satisfies the GFA) is found.

Leavers are in a tough position because they don’t want the backstop because they know there is no real solution to the border issue (if we keep May’s red lines on immigration). But they have simultaneously argued that the border is easy and that there is no issue there.

They are either idiots, liars or both.

See also the insistence that we “control our borders!” while at the same time claiming that Britain doesn’t want a border on our only land border.

In that case I would rather agree to staying in the transition period until a deal is agreed but obviously we wouldn't go for that because of the classic brexit soundbites like 'tied to the EU for ever', 'can't leave until the Germans say so' etc

A deal is irrelevant to the backstop, so I don’t see where you’re getting this “transition period” from.

The backstop remains until a solution satisfying all of the following criteria:

1. No border between ROI and EU as Ireland remains an EU member
2. No border between NI and ROI due to GFA
3. Border between EU and UK

The backstop is the only possible solution.

The proposed plan put to parliament last week was that on March 30th we would leave the EU and enter a transition period for 21 months. During this time we would effectively retain the status of an EU member without being an EU member, obviously continuing to pay into the EU. This period would have been for us to agree to a free trade deal with the EU. If we did not manage to finalise a deal in this time then the backstop would have been activated at the end of the 21 period. The backstop is quite simply a backup to prevent a hard border between the republic and N Ireland.

In an ideal world for both the UK and the EU the backstop will never need to be activated as a deal will be agreed in this 21 month period.

May is clearly strawberry floating insane.

Garth wrote:May is clearly strawberry floating insane.

Get ready for her scowly face all week as she gets amended TO strawberry float.

By the end of this week, her plans will be in ashes.

DML wrote:

Garth wrote:May is clearly strawberry floating insane.

Get ready for her scowly face all week as she gets amended TO strawberry float.

By the end of this week, her plans will be in ashes.

If we mail her a can of petrol and a lighter, so soon shall she be.

It's not my Brexit that's wrong, it's this international peace treaty which stopped a conflict that is wrong.

DUP will support this, behind closed doors. And I've said it before, but the very nature of the Sinn Fein absence is making them a complete irrelevance.

Decent article regarding the inevitable no deal Brexit

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfr ... eal-brexit

Garth wrote:May is clearly strawberry floating insane.

She just hates immigration. The only thing stopping her getting a half decent deal is her insistence that we must stop freedom of movement.

Her record speaks for itself. The cat speech, the Windrush deportations, her Brexit red lines...

She’ll happily bankrupt the country and restart the Troubles if it means she hears fewer foreign accents.

Theresa May is a racist and a fascist. It was obvious when she was Home Secretary and she certainly hasn't hid it since.

Great thread from some who long campaigned to leave.

twitter.com/rolandmcs/status/1086899951735574528

No plan. Never was.

strawberry float me, Braveheart 2 looks terrible and Mel Gibson has really let himself go.

Moggy wrote:

Return_of_the_STAR wrote:Surely we can remove the backstop by having a longer transition period with it written that we enter the transition period for say up to three years with the intention of agreeing a free trade deal before that time is up. If a deal is not agreed then both sides have the option of either terminating or extending the transition period. That must be the best compromise between no deal and the backstop option.

The backstop is there to ensure the Good Friday Agreement is maintained. The EU’s position is that the backstop has to be there until a solution to the border (that satisfies the GFA) is found.

Leavers are in a tough position because they don’t want the backstop because they know there is no real solution to the border issue (if we keep May’s red lines on immigration). But they have simultaneously argued that the border is easy and that there is no issue there.

They are either idiots, liars or both.

See also the insistence that we “control our borders!” while at the same time claiming that Britain doesn’t want a border on our only land border.

Many leavers seem to think the backstop is a red herring and shouldn't be considered as any type of obstacle. I don't get it but seems to me they're happy to rip up the GFA?

This appeared on my timeline. Wow just wow. So many lies but so many people believing it’s true.

Blue Eyes wrote:

Moggy wrote:

Return_of_the_STAR wrote:Surely we can remove the backstop by having a longer transition period with it written that we enter the transition period for say up to three years with the intention of agreeing a free trade deal before that time is up. If a deal is not agreed then both sides have the option of either terminating or extending the transition period. That must be the best compromise between no deal and the backstop option.

The backstop is there to ensure the Good Friday Agreement is maintained. The EU’s position is that the backstop has to be there until a solution to the border (that satisfies the GFA) is found.

Leavers are in a tough position because they don’t want the backstop because they know there is no real solution to the border issue (if we keep May’s red lines on immigration). But they have simultaneously argued that the border is easy and that there is no issue there.

They are either idiots, liars or both.

See also the insistence that we “control our borders!” while at the same time claiming that Britain doesn’t want a border on our only land border.

Many leavers seem to think the backstop is a red herring and shouldn't be considered as any type of obstacle. I don't get it but seems to me they're happy to rip up the GFA?

The GFA that was implemented following a 71% result in a referendum.

What is it about gammons and using the phrase "so called" before something they don't like?