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Return_of_the_STAR wrote:I would like to know how Canada manages a free trade deal with both the US and the EU at the same time? What sacrifices have they had to make and how do the manage all the different regulations and specifications.

I don’t know the ins and outs of Canada’s trade arrangements but they are members of NAFTA which gives them their trade agreements with the US. I would imagine (although I am not sure) that Canada’s products are of a higher standard than the US and so Canada also meet EU standards.

Moggy wrote:

Return_of_the_STAR wrote:I would like to know how Canada manages a free trade deal with both the US and the EU at the same time? What sacrifices have they had to make and how do the manage all the different regulations and specifications.

I don’t know the ins and outs of Canada’s trade arrangements but they are members of NAFTA which gives them their trade agreements with the US. I would imagine (although I am not sure) that Canada’s products are of a higher standard than the US and so Canada also meet EU standards.

The in country and export standards are different. The US exports to the EU but it has to process stuff to meet the EU's rules. That's why import checks have to be carried out.

Scrap the safety-first approach to food quality and standards
Allow the sale of hormone-riddled beef
Slash British cattle farming subsidies
Allow new genetically-modified foods to be sold with minimal regulation
Stop people knowing what they’re eating is genetically-modified food
Get rid of Britain’s safety-first approach to chemicals
Bin protections for traditional British products
Ignore the presence hormones and pus in dairy products
End rules that let British shoppers know what colourings are in their food
Lift the UK ban on a growth hormone in pork
More antibiotics in livestock
Eliminate UK testing for a parasitic worm in pork
Dump law against chlorine-bleached chicken
Legalise dangerous pesticides
Let fruit and veg be sold with pesticide residue on
Allow more carcinogens in pistachios
A big shift on the definition of standards
More toxic substances in glass that will be near food

Basically 18 standards there that will impact the poorest and low earners (along with the environment and jobs more generally), because the gulf between budget and premium/organic lines is now going to be absolutely enormous if these come into force. And that's before you even get to the restaurant industry.

Pistachios is a rather specific one, but a good example of a standard product getting a downgrade. They do already come from the USA and weigh in at around £1.60 per 100g, but organic in comparison is a whopping £2.25 per 100g (and are in such limited quantities are stocked in very few places in the UK). Okay, so maybe 10p will come off a packet of pistachios, but 'may now cause cancer'.

Price is about the only positive here, and that's what it'll inevitably be sold to the masses on. You already see it now, Americana branded products are very popular in the UK, sometimes bizarrely so.

I made a hormone once.

KK wrote:

Scrap the safety-first approach to food quality and standards
Allow the sale of hormone-riddled beef
Slash British cattle farming subsidies
Allow new genetically-modified foods to be sold with minimal regulation
Stop people knowing what they’re eating is genetically-modified food
Get rid of Britain’s safety-first approach to chemicals
Bin protections for traditional British products
Ignore the presence hormones and pus in dairy products
End rules that let British shoppers know what colourings are in their food
Lift the UK ban on a growth hormone in pork
More antibiotics in livestock
Eliminate UK testing for a parasitic worm in pork
Dump law against chlorine-bleached chicken
Legalise dangerous pesticides
Let fruit and veg be sold with pesticide residue on
Allow more carcinogens in pistachios
A big shift on the definition of standards
More toxic substances in glass that will be near food

Basically 18 standards there that will impact the poorest and low earners (along with the environment and jobs more generally), because the gulf between budget and premium/organic lines is now going to be absolutely enormous if these come into force. And that's before you even get to the restaurant industry.

Pistachios is a rather specific one, but a good example of a standard product getting a downgrade. They do already come from the USA and weigh in at around £1.60 per 100g, but organic in comparison is a whopping £2.25 per 100g (and are in such limited quantities are stocked in very few places in the UK). Okay, so maybe 10p will come off a packet of pistachios, but 'may now cause cancer'.

Price is about the only positive here, and that's what it'll inevitably be sold to the masses on. You already see it now, Americana branded products are very popular in the UK, sometimes bizarrely so.

I suspect everyone will be screwed by this. Budget lines will probably stay at the same price but become far worse in quality, premium lines will now become the same quality as what used to be sold as budget but come at a premium price, and a new "top tier" at a ludicrous price point will appear which will be what you have to fork out for if you actually want something not designed to kill you.

The weird obsession that some people have with US brands and products is baffling. They are almost universally worse in quality to what we already have available and yet some people seem to fawn all over them. Crazy.

Ad7 wrote:I made a hormone once.

Only once? Must have been a cheap one.

Ad7 wrote:I made a hormone once.

Should have paid her then

Jenuall wrote:The weird obsession that some people have with US brands and products is baffling. They are almost universally worse in quality to what we already have available and yet some people seem to fawn all over them. Crazy.

The products that are worse in the UK tends to be the junk food. Our McDonald's fries are often derided by American tourists for being OUTRAGEOUSLY LIMP and pale. Our one is missing Sodium Acid Pyrophosphate (yum!), some beef enhancer (strawberry float the vegetarians!), and the cooking oil is completely different.

Jenuall wrote:The weird obsession that some people have with US brands and products is baffling. They are almost universally worse in quality to what we already have available and yet some people seem to fawn all over them. Crazy.

Oreo's being a case in point, we make the best biscuits in the world in the UK yet people go crazy over substandard shite like these. Also, Herscheys - the vilest chocolate on the planet but still fouling the shelves of UK supermarkets.

The USA has Chipotle, all arguments about food are lost.

Photek wrote:The USA has Chipotle, all arguments about food are lost.

Chipotle is just a poor mans Nandos.

I have never had a Chipotle meal so have no idea

Photek wrote:The USA has Chipotle, all arguments about food are lost.

Is that an argument in favour or against the USA?
The far worse crime against food by the USA was the series Man V Food as most of the stuff he had in the US looking strawberry floating terrible with the only redeeming feature seemingly that there was enough of it to feed half of Swindon.

Chipotle is amazing. stunning.

Photek wrote:Chipotle is amazing. stunning.

Is it as good as Greggs?

Photek wrote:Chipotle is amazing. stunning.

+1. Chipotle mayonnaise is the real deal

Also I note that that list says "allow more carcinogens in pistachios" - I didn't know there were any in there to begin with. I love pistachios, am I going to die?

Preezy wrote:

Photek wrote:Chipotle is amazing. stunning.

+1. Chipotle mayonnaise is the real deal

Also I note that that list says "allow more carcinogens in pistachios" - I didn't know there were any in there to begin with. I love pistachios, am I going to die?

Almost certainly at some point.

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Preezy wrote:Serious question - do the hormones in the beef have any effect on humans?

Two words. Man boobs.

Squinty wrote:

Preezy wrote:Serious question - do the hormones in the beef have any effect on humans?

Two words. Man boobs.

So what’s the downside?

Moggy wrote:

Squinty wrote:

Preezy wrote:Serious question - do the hormones in the beef have any effect on humans?

Two words. Man boobs.

So what’s the downside?

True. All breasts are good.