captain red dog wrote:It's an odd mix. Certainly the young left wing Labour voters I know seem to accept that the EU doesn't fit with the more socialist society that they want. I think at the last election they were happy with Corbyn on the idea that his version of Brexit would see us shift a bit further into a socialist society, whether or not that could actually be achieved in negotiations in realith. I don't think it was a case of the EU being more or less important, just that they felt Corbyn may have been able to move us out in a softer manner to enable him to bring in some of the more radical policies they would like to see.
Except that the EU isn't really a blocker to many of the left wing policies Corbyn wants to implement.
Corbyn loves to harp on about how the EU would stop him from re-nationalising the railways when that simply isn't true. There are ways to do that within EU law and other EU countries have successfully done so for a long time. Corbyn is no different from the Tories in that he loves to use the EU as a boogeyman. For Cobyn it's nationalisation, for the Tories it's EU migration (And Labour were no better for that before them). They both say the EU rules block them from doing anything about it when there are plenty of EU regulations that would let them do something, they simply choose not to even acknowledge they exist, let alone use them.
Anyone who says that Corbyn can get a Softer Brexit whilst refusing to accept the 4 freedoms is an idiot, a liar or just being willfully ignorant by this point.
Moggy wrote:BID0 wrote:Moggy wrote:BID0 wrote:Moggy wrote:Rex Kramer wrote:I love this mythical universe you're talking about where Jeremy Corbyn wins a general election. He should be a million points ahead of the current Tories and he's not. He ain't winning gooseberry fool.
If we have a hard Brexit and a massive financial crash then he has a chance of winning the next election. If the economy absolutely tanks then the Tories may well be gone.
But that is not going to be a good thing for him. He will be unable to implement many of his policies due to a lack of funds and he will plunge the country into even deeper financial trouble for the plans that he does try and implement. That will kill off Labour for another 10-15 years.
A country that can print its own money can't have a lack of funds as we saw during the last financial crisis.
Plus it would be an investment rather than an expense. An investment generates money over the long term.
So it wouldn't be impossible to have the money to invest whatever the economy was like. It would be absolute gooseberry fool for the economy for decades however.
So we enter a self imposed economic downturn by leaving the EU. We then spend a fortune and pay for it by printing more and more money.
What can go wrong?
I'm not sure, I'm not good enough with maths to model an entire economy. 99.999999% likely bad for us yes. But I would think by now we have all accepted that's going to happen whatever with Brexit.
Brexit will be bad but just printing loads more money would only make it worse.
Hey it worked great for Zimbabwe. Now everyone is a millionaire.