Brexit Thread 2

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How would you vote if we had to vote again?

Leave
12
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Remain
155
93%
 
Total votes: 167
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by Moggy » Fri Mar 15, 2019 9:54 am

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Harry Ola wrote:Pretty galling is that 6 Labour MPs voted against the motion, otherwise it would have passed. Don't suppose the great Jeremy will care.


It's the same avid Brexiteer Labour MPs as always. The party whip was to vote for it, what do you want Corbyn to do? This is dumb as strawberry float.


I am not fan of Corbyn but there’s not much he can do if people ignore the whip. Only 6 Labour MPs breaking ranks is nothing compared to the state of the Tory disobedience at the moment.

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by Moggy » Fri Mar 15, 2019 9:56 am

Gemini73 wrote:Good morning.

I'd just like to offer my apologies to anyone who I may have upset yesterday. I'm a tetchy gooseberry fool at the best of times and can get quite defensive (I'm trying to work on that). Walking away from the forum for the rest of the day seemed like the best option until I collected myself.

Believe it or not I'm as upset by all this as you are, more so for the fact that my vote help put us here. I wish I could go back and change that decision, I really do, but I can't. All I can do now is move forward and make the right decision looking ahead. Whatever that may be.

Cheers.


You seem to have a habit of exploding over things, it’s cool and I am sure everyone will forgive you, but if you feel yourself getting angry maybe take 30 minutes or so to calm down before going into attack mode?

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by Gemini73 » Fri Mar 15, 2019 10:05 am

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Gemini73 wrote:Good morning.

I'd just like to offer my apologies to anyone who I may have upset yesterday. I'm a tetchy gooseberry fool at the best of times and can get quite defensive (I'm trying to work on that). Walking away from the forum for the rest of the day seemed like the best option until I collected myself.

Believe it or not I'm as upset by all this as you are, more so for the fact that my vote help put us here. I wish I could go back and change that decision, I really do, but I can't. All I can do now is move forward and make the right decision looking ahead. Whatever that may be.

Cheers.


You seem to have a habit of exploding over things, it’s cool and I am sure everyone will forgive you, but if you feel yourself getting angry maybe take 30 minutes or so to calm down before going into attack mode?


Ai, that is true. Not one of my better traits and I've never really gotten complete control of it. It's also why I quit the booze. That said, it has gotten better than it used to be. Just to be clear I don't physically attack anyone when I lose my temper, I'm just very unapproachable, verbally aggressive and then tend to just shut down.

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by Preezy » Fri Mar 15, 2019 10:05 am

right so can someone explain in layman's terms what happened last night and what it means going forward? I totally lost the thread of what each vote was for and what was a good/bad outcome for each side. Trying to watch important political events with young children in the room :fp: :lol:

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by Return_of_the_STAR » Fri Mar 15, 2019 10:14 am

Preezy wrote:right so can someone explain in layman's terms what happened last night and what it means going forward? I totally lost the thread of what each vote was for and what was a good/bad outcome for each side. Trying to watch important political events with young children in the room :fp: :lol:


I'm not sure what all the things were that were voted on last night but one vote was for the UK to seek an extension to article 50. That was 413 in favour, 202 against. As a result may said she would put her deal to the commons again next week and if that is still not agreed to then she will seek an extension from the EU.

Another vote was also tabled for a second referendum which was very confusing as those who had campaigned for it chose not to support it as they felt it wasn't the right time. Labour also chose to abstain from this.

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PostRe: Brexit Thread 2
by Preezy » Fri Mar 15, 2019 10:17 am

Cheers, RotS

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by Squinty » Fri Mar 15, 2019 10:20 am

Gemini73 wrote:Good morning.

I'd just like to offer my apologies to anyone who I may have upset yesterday. I'm a tetchy gooseberry fool at the best of times and can get quite defensive (I'm trying to work on that). Walking away from the forum for the rest of the day seemed like the best option until I collected myself.

Believe it or not I'm as upset by all this as you are, more so for the fact that my vote help put us here. I wish I could go back and change that decision, I really do, but I can't. All I can do now is move forward and make the right decision looking ahead. Whatever that may be.

Cheers.


Your opinion is valued here, and I hope we all get the chance to have another say. This is awful to watch.

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by Jenuall » Fri Mar 15, 2019 10:35 am

Gemini73 wrote:Good morning.

I'd just like to offer my apologies to anyone who I may have upset yesterday. I'm a tetchy gooseberry fool at the best of times and can get quite defensive (I'm trying to work on that). Walking away from the forum for the rest of the day seemed like the best option until I collected myself.

Believe it or not I'm as upset by all this as you are, more so for the fact that my vote help put us here. I wish I could go back and change that decision, I really do, but I can't. All I can do now is move forward and make the right decision looking ahead. Whatever that may be.

Cheers.


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It's a shit-storm of a scenario so I think we can all accept that from time to time things are going to get heated.

I can still see a route out of this that doesn't leave us all totally strawberry floated, but the likelihood of that happening is so hard to predict as the landscape is constantly shifting. The worst part is just how little input and influence we seem to be able to have as individuals now.

We are at the whim of Government, Parliament (which are populated by the worst group of people in history) and a bunch of rich arseholes who are the only ones with leverage. :cry:

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by Lagamorph » Fri Mar 15, 2019 10:37 am

Gemini73 wrote:Good morning.

I'd just like to offer my apologies to anyone who I may have upset yesterday. I'm a tetchy gooseberry fool at the best of times and can get quite defensive (I'm trying to work on that). Walking away from the forum for the rest of the day seemed like the best option until I collected myself.

Believe it or not I'm as upset by all this as you are, more so for the fact that my vote help put us here. I wish I could go back and change that decision, I really do, but I can't. All I can do now is move forward and make the right decision looking ahead. Whatever that may be.

Cheers.

I wasnt trying to attack you personally yesterday, I'm sorry if it came across that way, it was general frustration at the Leave vote in general and the continued shut down of debate/criticism of anyone who voted leave that many leavers bring up when you point out how foolish there vote was and how they had no way of knowing what they actually voted for, since there was no pre-defined form of Brexit to vote for.

Unfortunately for every person like you who realises they fell for a pack of lies, there's two more who have doubled down on the Leave Kool-Aid.

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by Rex Kramer » Fri Mar 15, 2019 10:39 am

Jenuall wrote:I can still see a route out of this that doesn't leave us all totally strawberry floated, but the likelihood of that happening is so hard to predict as the landscape is constantly shifting. The worst part is just how little input and influence we seem to be able to have as individuals now.

I think the only sensible option at this point is cancel Article 50, run MEP elections, come to a consensus in parliament about the deal we want to negotiate, reinvoke article 50, negotiate the deal with the EU, present the final deal to the public as a 'take this option or remain' referendum. It's what should have happened right from the off but a combination of a race to invoke article 50 and the Tories ringfencing the negotiations has led us to this ridiculous situation.

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by Gemini73 » Fri Mar 15, 2019 10:51 am

Jenuall wrote:
Gemini73 wrote:Good morning.

I'd just like to offer my apologies to anyone who I may have upset yesterday. I'm a tetchy gooseberry fool at the best of times and can get quite defensive (I'm trying to work on that). Walking away from the forum for the rest of the day seemed like the best option until I collected myself.

Believe it or not I'm as upset by all this as you are, more so for the fact that my vote help put us here. I wish I could go back and change that decision, I really do, but I can't. All I can do now is move forward and make the right decision looking ahead. Whatever that may be.

Cheers.


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PostRe: Brexit Thread 2
by Gemini73 » Fri Mar 15, 2019 10:59 am

Lagamorph wrote:
Gemini73 wrote:Good morning.

I'd just like to offer my apologies to anyone who I may have upset yesterday. I'm a tetchy gooseberry fool at the best of times and can get quite defensive (I'm trying to work on that). Walking away from the forum for the rest of the day seemed like the best option until I collected myself.

Believe it or not I'm as upset by all this as you are, more so for the fact that my vote help put us here. I wish I could go back and change that decision, I really do, but I can't. All I can do now is move forward and make the right decision looking ahead. Whatever that may be.

Cheers.

I wasnt trying to attack you personally yesterday, I'm sorry if it came across that way, it was general frustration at the Leave vote in general and the continued shut down of debate/criticism of anyone who voted leave that many leavers bring up when you point out how foolish there vote was and how they had no way of knowing what they actually voted for, since there was no pre-defined form of Brexit to vote for.

Unfortunately for every person like you who realises they fell for a pack of lies, there's two more who have doubled down on the Leave Kool-Aid.


No worries. I acted a bit of a jerk. This whole Brexit certainly brings out the worst in people.

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by Karl_ » Fri Mar 15, 2019 11:05 am

No-one here blames you Gem or thinks badly of you. Plenty of normal, nice, well-meaning people voted Leave with a heart full of optimism on the basis of the Vote Leave campaign, that sadly turned out to be lies, and now they've seen the reality they're just as upset as any Remainer.

What winds me up is people who've had two years of seeing this disastrous shite and still won't change their minds. Now they're saying "No deal's fine, we've got rabbits in the garden, just get on with it!". You're clearly not like those wankers!

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by Moggy » Fri Mar 15, 2019 11:06 am

Lagamorph wrote:Unfortunately for every person like you who realises they fell for a pack of lies, there's two more who have doubled down on the Leave Kool-Aid.


If true that is good news. If Leave lost 1/3 of its support then Remain would win another referendum easily. :datass:

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by Rex Kramer » Fri Mar 15, 2019 11:22 am

Profits at UK pub chain JD Wetherspoon fell 19% in the six months to the end of January.

It blamed a rise in labour costs, interest payments, utility bills, repairs and depreciation for the fall.

Its chairman, Brexit supporter Tim Martin, who generally accompanies results announcements with his colourful opinions, expressed concern that Brexit would be reversed.

This, he said, would have "adverse economic consequences".

He blamed "the establishment" for a "barrage of negative economic forecasts".

Mr Martin is currently touring 100 of his 900 pubs, talking to punters about the merits of leaving the EU without a deal on 29 March.


https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-47581483

At least he's staying on message and will be blaming Brexit not happening for his pubs going down the shithouse.

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by Blue Eyes » Fri Mar 15, 2019 11:23 am

Wetherspoons profits have plunged 19%. Hahahahahahaha strawberry float off Tim Martin you strawberry floating goblin.

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by Moggy » Fri Mar 15, 2019 12:43 pm

Blue Eyes wrote:Wetherspoons profits have plunged 19%. Hahahahahahaha strawberry float off Tim Martin you strawberry floating goblin.

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by NickSCFC » Fri Mar 15, 2019 12:48 pm

Preezy wrote:right so can someone explain in layman's terms what happened last night and what it means going forward? I totally lost the thread of what each vote was for and what was a good/bad outcome for each side. Trying to watch important political events with young children in the room :fp: :lol:


MPs voted against No Deal but we're still having No Deal.
MPs voted for an Article 50 extension, the EU won't give it to us though.
Labour abstained from a vote on a Second Referendum but they still want a Second Referendum.
Bercow let May's Deal be put forward again to parliament, considering all the above we have no idea how MPs will vote this time.

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by Lex-Man » Fri Mar 15, 2019 1:00 pm

Moggy wrote:
Blue Eyes wrote:Wetherspoons profits have plunged 19%. Hahahahahahaha strawberry float off Tim Martin you strawberry floating goblin.


The problem is a lot of other prominent brexiteers have made bets against Weatherspoons as they think it'll be hit by brexit so they're all making money off this news.

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by Moggy » Fri Mar 15, 2019 1:05 pm

Lex-Man wrote:
Moggy wrote:
Blue Eyes wrote:Wetherspoons profits have plunged 19%. Hahahahahahaha strawberry float off Tim Martin you strawberry floating goblin.


The problem is a lot of other prominent brexiteers have made bets against Weatherspoons as they think it'll be hit by brexit so they're all making money off this news.


Prominent Leavers are going to make money off of it whatever happens.

Gammonspoons losing money is enough to make me :toot:


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