Brexit Thread 2

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How would you vote if we had to vote again?

Leave
12
7%
Remain
159
93%
 
Total votes: 171
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by Lex-Man » Sat Jun 01, 2019 9:17 pm

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Labour may not campaign for Remain in a second Brexit referendum, Shami Chakrabarti has said.

In comments likely to anger the party’s strongly pro-EU membership, she told the BBC’s Today programme that a fresh vote would “be a reluctant means of breaking a deadlock”.

Asked if Labour would support Remain, she said: “That would be for the party to decide in a general election.”

The shadow attorney general said the party could instead ask voters to get behind a Labour Brexit deal.

https://m.huffingtonpost.co.uk/entry/la ... ccounter=2


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I'm very happy as they're just handing voters to the Lib Dems and Greens. It'll be far better to hand power to them at the moment.


Trouble is that left wing votes are too split.

Left: Labour, Lib Dem, Green, SNP, Plaid Cymru

Right: Tory, Brexit Party

It wouldn’t be so bad if the left wing parties could agree to cooperate and/or go into coalition. But the daft strawberry floats won’t.


I think the smaller ones will other than Labour who are dead set on brexit.


They probably would but without Labour they wouldn’t have enough seats to take power.


Which is why I hope labour keep pressing the self destruct button.

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PostRe: Brexit Thread 2
by Moggy » Sat Jun 01, 2019 9:19 pm

Lex-Man wrote:
Moggy wrote:
Lex-Man wrote:
Moggy wrote:
Lex-Man wrote:
Moggy wrote:
Labour may not campaign for Remain in a second Brexit referendum, Shami Chakrabarti has said.

In comments likely to anger the party’s strongly pro-EU membership, she told the BBC’s Today programme that a fresh vote would “be a reluctant means of breaking a deadlock”.

Asked if Labour would support Remain, she said: “That would be for the party to decide in a general election.”

The shadow attorney general said the party could instead ask voters to get behind a Labour Brexit deal.

https://m.huffingtonpost.co.uk/entry/la ... ccounter=2


:fp:


I'm very happy as they're just handing voters to the Lib Dems and Greens. It'll be far better to hand power to them at the moment.


Trouble is that left wing votes are too split.

Left: Labour, Lib Dem, Green, SNP, Plaid Cymru

Right: Tory, Brexit Party

It wouldn’t be so bad if the left wing parties could agree to cooperate and/or go into coalition. But the daft strawberry floats won’t.


I think the smaller ones will other than Labour who are dead set on brexit.


They probably would but without Labour they wouldn’t have enough seats to take power.


Which is why I hope labour keep pressing the self destruct button.


They’ll still gain a strawberry float load of seats. And if they won’t play with the other parties then we are doomed to Tory rule.

We need Labour to back Remain and start playing nicely with other left/centre left parties.

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PostRe: Brexit Thread 2
by Lex-Man » Sat Jun 01, 2019 9:20 pm

Moggy wrote:
Lex-Man wrote:
Moggy wrote:
Lex-Man wrote:
Moggy wrote:
Lex-Man wrote:
Moggy wrote:
Labour may not campaign for Remain in a second Brexit referendum, Shami Chakrabarti has said.

In comments likely to anger the party’s strongly pro-EU membership, she told the BBC’s Today programme that a fresh vote would “be a reluctant means of breaking a deadlock”.

Asked if Labour would support Remain, she said: “That would be for the party to decide in a general election.”

The shadow attorney general said the party could instead ask voters to get behind a Labour Brexit deal.

https://m.huffingtonpost.co.uk/entry/la ... ccounter=2


:fp:


I'm very happy as they're just handing voters to the Lib Dems and Greens. It'll be far better to hand power to them at the moment.


Trouble is that left wing votes are too split.

Left: Labour, Lib Dem, Green, SNP, Plaid Cymru

Right: Tory, Brexit Party

It wouldn’t be so bad if the left wing parties could agree to cooperate and/or go into coalition. But the daft strawberry floats won’t.


I think the smaller ones will other than Labour who are dead set on brexit.


They probably would but without Labour they wouldn’t have enough seats to take power.


Which is why I hope labour keep pressing the self destruct button.


They’ll still gain a strawberry float load of seats. And if they won’t play with the other parties then we are doomed to Tory rule.

We need Labour to back Remain and start playing nicely with other left/centre left parties.


If there vote collapses enough maybe Corbyn will call it a day and we can sort stuff out.

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PostRe: Brexit Thread 2
by Moggy » Sat Jun 01, 2019 9:22 pm

Lex-Man wrote:
Moggy wrote:
Lex-Man wrote:
Moggy wrote:
Lex-Man wrote:
Moggy wrote:
Lex-Man wrote:
Moggy wrote:
Labour may not campaign for Remain in a second Brexit referendum, Shami Chakrabarti has said.

In comments likely to anger the party’s strongly pro-EU membership, she told the BBC’s Today programme that a fresh vote would “be a reluctant means of breaking a deadlock”.

Asked if Labour would support Remain, she said: “That would be for the party to decide in a general election.”

The shadow attorney general said the party could instead ask voters to get behind a Labour Brexit deal.

https://m.huffingtonpost.co.uk/entry/la ... ccounter=2


:fp:


I'm very happy as they're just handing voters to the Lib Dems and Greens. It'll be far better to hand power to them at the moment.


Trouble is that left wing votes are too split.

Left: Labour, Lib Dem, Green, SNP, Plaid Cymru

Right: Tory, Brexit Party

It wouldn’t be so bad if the left wing parties could agree to cooperate and/or go into coalition. But the daft strawberry floats won’t.


I think the smaller ones will other than Labour who are dead set on brexit.


They probably would but without Labour they wouldn’t have enough seats to take power.


Which is why I hope labour keep pressing the self destruct button.


They’ll still gain a strawberry float load of seats. And if they won’t play with the other parties then we are doomed to Tory rule.

We need Labour to back Remain and start playing nicely with other left/centre left parties.


If there vote collapses enough maybe Corbyn will call it a day and we can sort stuff out.


It’s too late by then, we’d have a Boris Johnson (probably) led Brexit Party supported government for at least 5 years before any other party could do anything.

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PostRe: Brexit Thread 2
by Moggy » Sun Jun 02, 2019 12:35 pm



When the manky US chicken poisons us we will then have to pay a US healthcare company to make us better.

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PostRe: Brexit Thread 2
by Minty14 » Sun Jun 02, 2019 2:28 pm

Woody Johnson

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PostRe: Brexit Thread 2
by Camp Freddie » Mon Jun 03, 2019 10:18 am

They don't even have to change the name for the inevitable porn parody.
This country is about to get strawberry floated from both sides by two Johnsons.

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PostRe: Brexit Thread 2
by Preezy » Mon Jun 03, 2019 1:06 pm

Minty14 wrote:Woody Johnson

His assistance is called Dick Longer (no, really).



not really

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PostRe: Brexit Thread 2
by Squinty » Mon Jun 03, 2019 1:09 pm

Camp Freddie wrote:They don't even have to change the name for the inevitable porn parody.
This country is about to get strawberry floated from both sides by two Johnsons.


And Gladimhere Putitin will be watching.

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PostRe: Brexit Thread 2
by Moggy » Tue Jun 04, 2019 5:44 pm



Does anybody still doubt that Brexit will lead to the destruction of the NHS?

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by captain red dog » Tue Jun 04, 2019 5:52 pm

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Does anybody still doubt that Brexit will lead to the destruction of the NHS?

Destruction how? By law it has to be free at the point of use. I don't see any party having the numbers to change that.

I could see prescription charges rising, but they are already rising quite rapidly.

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by Moggy » Tue Jun 04, 2019 5:54 pm

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Does anybody still doubt that Brexit will lead to the destruction of the NHS?

Destruction how? By law it has to be free at the point of use. I don't see any party having the numbers to change that.

I could see prescription charges rising, but they are already rising quite rapidly.


You don’t think the NHS being on the table for a US trade deal means the NHS will be dismantled?

The US healthcare companies will strawberry floating trample it into the ground. If they get access to the UK health market then they will not be happy to compete with socialised medicine.

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by Green Gecko » Tue Jun 04, 2019 6:29 pm

It isn't on the table is it? Trump said it would be, but Theresa May nor anyone I'm aware of has stated that it will be. That was just trump being a presumptious idiot who's open to exploiting anything he possibly can, even if it isn't being offered. She said it would be up to the UK to decide what is and isn't on the table, which is quite a tacit retort she issued within seconds of Trump saying that.

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PostRe: Brexit Thread 2
by youtu.be/dQw4w9WgXcQ » Tue Jun 04, 2019 6:35 pm

I don't feel like Trump understood what an NHS is there.

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PostRe: Brexit Thread 2
by Green Gecko » Tue Jun 04, 2019 6:36 pm

Probably not :lol:

That press conference was very much

please stay Theresa, let's make history, let's do the deal, it will be phenomenal, 3 times more than what we currently do, trillions, the nhs, trade deals, it all, it will be tremendous

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PostRe: Brexit Thread 2
by Moggy » Tue Jun 04, 2019 6:37 pm

Green Gecko wrote:It isn't on the table is it? Trump said it would be, but Theresa May nor anyone I'm aware of has stated that it will be. That was just trump being a presumptious idiot who's open to exploiting anything he possibly can, even if it isn't being offered. She said it would be up to the UK to decide what is and isn't on the table, which is quite a tacit retort she issued within seconds of Trump saying that.


May will be gone in the next couple of months.

Trump revealed what he sees as a trade deal. Trump’s a fool but do you really doubt that the US would make healthcare one of the central points of any deal?

Do you think Boris Johnson, faced with zero trade deals, would block it? Parliament might, but by then we are going to be pretty desperate and it will be dressed up as competition for the NHS rather than a replacement. Or as the US healthcare companies “helping” the NHS with competitive prices.

Congress could block it, but that leaves us with no powerful trade deals. Or Congress backs it and leaves us with no NHS.

Brexit is wonderful.

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by Green Gecko » Tue Jun 04, 2019 6:39 pm

I'm sure conservatives will try to make it happen, but I as much as anyone else depending on the NHS sorely hope that it will not. And I can only hope that.

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PostRe: Brexit Thread 2
by Moggy » Tue Jun 04, 2019 6:48 pm

Green Gecko wrote:I'm sure conservatives will try to make it happen, but I as much as anyone else depending on the NHS sorely hope that it will not. And I can only hope that.


It might not happen. But if Brexit goes ahead then it’s a choice between the NHS or poverty.

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PostRe: Brexit Thread 2
by ignition » Tue Jun 04, 2019 6:56 pm



This thread, if accurate, seems to explain the potential realities of such a situation well.

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PostRe: Brexit Thread 2
by Lex-Man » Tue Jun 04, 2019 9:04 pm

They'll get access to bid for government run services. British private companies such as Circle are already running UK hospitals using NHS branding. The move to any kind of insurance based system wouldn't happen until they'd privatised the whole thing. They can try and lobby government for higher prices on operations that'll have to be paid for though taxation in the short term.

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