Tomous wrote:Moggy wrote:Jenuall wrote:Moggy wrote:Samuel_1 wrote:Moggy wrote:Samuel_1 wrote:Hexx wrote:So..
If Tory Deal, Lab want 2nd Referendum, Lab will back remain
If Lab Deal, Lab want 2nd referendum, Lab will back...oh look over there a squirrel!
Does it matter what they back in the second instance? They will offer a vote in both scenarios.
We have until 31 October. Labour should be there NOW campaigning to get a second referendum in place. Instead it is more “yeah we will not go with the Tory deal but we can do a better deal if we win a general election…..”. There just isn’t the time for Labour to somehow collapse the government, hold a general election, win it and then get another referendum through.
The EU will probably extend the deadline again if there is a GE or referendum, but there is no guarantee of that.
I do welcome Labour backing a further referendum, but this does appear to be more fudging and delaying.
It is at least a step in the right direction, a statement of intent. It is unlikely that the Tories will allow a GE to happen, ergo the de facto position for Labour will be the backing of a second referendum (they actually state this outcome either way). It will be very interesting to see what this does to their polling.
It’s a step in the right direction. But after 3 years they have only moved forward one step, when we need to travel thousands of miles.
The reality is we only need one step - cancel Brexit. One simple move that offers objectively the best outcome for the largest number of people. It should be strawberry floating simple.
But yes, the fact that so many people seem to be thousands of miles from realising this is genuinely depressing.
I totally get that we can’t just cancel it, politically speaking it would rip this country to shreds and give an extraordinary amount of ammunition to people like Farage.
The only way of ending this mess is via a referendum. And I don’t think a Labour Deal v Remain is going to solve things either, Farage and the Tories will scream betrayal and in a way they would be right.
It’s pretty clear that the Tory deal is dead and the EU are not prepared to renegotiate the mythical Labour deal. We’d have to have No Deal v Remain.
Which is risky of course, but I think Remain would win comfortably.
I agree. I can't see Remain losing a vote like that.
Remain voters would still vote remain but not all brexit voters would vote No Deal. Yes, Faragae and all would galvanise support and scream WE'VE BEEN BETRAYED but I would hope the Remain side would and a lot of the apathetic people in 2016 who didn't pay enough attention would turn up.
Would be terrifying watching the results come in though
Farage will always shout about betrayal, it’s what he does, but he wouldn’t have much of a basis for it if No Deal was up against Remain. He will try of course, but we could rightly point out that he wanted a deal before the 2016 referendum and that he has since claimed he wants No Deal. What’s he scared of?
I think he’d have a point with a three way vote and he’d definitely have a point if it was all just cancelled. But his beloved “WTO” Brexit? He can’t shout too loud that it is unfair without revealing just what a pile of gooseberry fool idea it is.
But yeah it would be terrifying, even if it is our best hope.