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Brexit Thread 2
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- Lagamorph
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PostRe: Brexit Thread 2
by Lagamorph » Tue Jul 09, 2019 4:04 pm
BID0 wrote:I've given up following Brexit these days but hasn't Labour's initial outline for their Brexit been seen by the EU and agreed to work in principle? It would be more like a Norway deal that would allow for access to the markets and workforce, thus protecting jobs?
Or did the Labour Brexit plan change since the EU looked at it?
And a referendum on that seems logical to me because like the Tory deal, no deal and every other favour of Brexit there as been (including remain), there is no majority in Parliament so it needs to be decided by a referendum.
Labour (Well, Corbyn) still wants to negotiate on Freedom of Movement, which basically throws out anything more than May's deal.
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PostRe: Brexit Thread 2
by Hexx » Tue Jul 09, 2019 4:08 pm
Tomous wrote:Samuel_1 wrote:Tomous wrote:Samuel_1 wrote:Tomous wrote:Hexx wrote:Samuel_1 wrote:Hyperion wrote:I mean strawberry floating hell Labour fudge upon fudge
They're backing a confirmatory vote, that's good news, isn't it?
"We support Remain while we're in opposition, but Leave if we get into power"
So the solution for Remain voters is to vote Tory so Labour stay as the opposition and support remain.
Bravo Jeremy, bravo.
No, they say they will try to get a deal if they gain power and then offer this deal or remain in a referendum.
Where has he said that?
Everything I've read today has suggested Corbyn hasn't said what he would do in the event of winning a GE.
Near the top of page 564.
Ok, but Corbyn hasn't actually said that and committed to it yet has he?
Dear member,
I am proud to lead the Labour Party – the greatest political party and social movement in this country.
We all recognise that the issue of Brexit has been divisive in our communities and sometimes in our party too.
As democrats, Labour accepted the result of the 2016 referendum. In our 2017 manifesto, Labour also committed to oppose a No Deal Brexit and the Tories’ Brexit plans – which threatened jobs, living standards, and the open multicultural society that we as internationalists value so much.
I want to pay tribute to Keir Starmer and the shadow Brexit team for holding the Government to account during this process. That helped secure a meaningful vote on their deal – which we then defeated three times – including inflicting the largest ever defeat on any Government. And following their refusal to publish their legal advice, this Government became the first to be held in contempt of Parliament.
Labour set out a compromise plan to try to bring the country together based around a customs union, a strong single market relationship and protection of environmental regulations and rights at work. We continue to believe this is a sensible alternative that could bring the country together.
But the Prime Minister refused to compromise and was unable to deliver, so we ended cross-party talks.
Now both Tory leadership candidates are threatening a No Deal Brexit - or at best a race to the bottom and a sweetheart deal with Donald Trump: that runs down industry, opens up our NHS and other public services to yet more privatisation, and shreds environmental protections, rights at work and consumer standards.
I have spent the past few weeks consulting with the shadow cabinet, MPs, affiliated unions and the NEC. I have also had feedback from members via the National Policy Forum consultation on Brexit.
Whoever becomes the new Prime Minister should have the confidence to put their deal, or No Deal, back to the people in a public vote.
In those circumstances, I want to make it clear that Labour would campaign for Remain against either No Deal or a Tory deal that does not protect the economy and jobs.
Labour has a crucial, historic duty to safeguard jobs, rights and living standards. But no Brexit outcome alone can do that.
We need a general election. After nine years of austerity, too many people in this country cannot find decent secure well-paid work, and have to rely on public services that have been severely cut back.
Our country is ravaged by inequality and rising poverty, huge regional imbalances of investment, and the government is failing to tackle the climate emergency facing us all.
That is why we need a Labour government to end austerity and rebuild our country for the many not the jew.
Yours,
Jeremy Corbyn
You're right - he's avoided explicitly saying that here, with the implication being only the 2 Tory Candidates votes should be put to deal - but that's just him being evasive/shifty/gooseberry fool at communicating again. The motions last night are pretty clear
Edit -
twitter.com/hzeffman/status/1148543812786118656
The 2nd bullet point in third question says "Any deal"