Brexit Thread 3 - Project Reality

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by Lex-Man » Thu May 06, 2021 1:49 pm

Presumably we can't do much with our gunships as attacking French ships would be an act of war.

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by Return_of_the_STAR » Thu May 06, 2021 2:55 pm

Lex-Man wrote:Presumably we can't do much with our gunships as attacking French ships would be an act of war.


They are there for 'observation'.

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PostRe: Brexit Thread 3 - Project Reality
by Tomous » Thu May 06, 2021 2:57 pm

Lex-Man wrote:Presumably we can't do much with our gunships as attacking French ships would be an act of war.



A lot of military action is just for dick waving without actually planning to do anything.


Although this is just pure PR.

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by Moggy » Thu May 06, 2021 3:03 pm

twitter.com/DMReporter/status/1390302149544800261



Trafalgar was much more pathetic looking than I ever imagined.

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by Victor Mildew » Thu May 06, 2021 3:06 pm

Moggy wrote:

twitter.com/DMReporter/status/1390302149544800261



Trafalgar was much more pathetic looking than I ever imagined.


More Albert square than Trafalger square.

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PostRe: Brexit Thread 3 - Project Reality
by Squinty » Thu May 06, 2021 3:15 pm

Get outta my pub waters!

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PostRe: Brexit Thread 3 - Project Reality
by captain red dog » Thu May 06, 2021 11:23 pm

I think pretty much all our warships have legal advisors on board now. At least that's what I was told back when we were patrolling Somalia and taking on the drugs pirates, which was why we were pretty much useless aside from preventing the boarding and hostage taking that used to be prominent.

But anyway, we can all be proud as we sent Napoleon packing today. :oops:

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PostRe: Brexit Thread 3 - Project Reality
by Moggy » Tue May 18, 2021 12:11 pm

twitter.com/archer_rs/status/1394591664472301569



:lol:

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by Lex-Man » Tue May 18, 2021 12:15 pm

Moggy wrote:

twitter.com/archer_rs/status/1394591664472301569



:lol:


Loads of people were registering for tickets in the pro EU groups I've joined on Facebook.

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PostRe: Brexit Thread 3 - Project Reality
by Tomous » Tue May 18, 2021 12:27 pm

A few people on my Facebook were registering :lol:

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by Victor Mildew » Tue May 18, 2021 12:51 pm

Moggy wrote:

twitter.com/archer_rs/status/1394591664472301569



:lol:


Tim Burgess was pushing this big time on Twitter :lol:

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by Moggy » Tue May 18, 2021 12:53 pm

Victor Mildew wrote:
Moggy wrote:

twitter.com/archer_rs/status/1394591664472301569



:lol:


Tim Burgess was pushing this big time on Twitter :lol:


Tim :wub:

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PostRe: Brexit Thread 3 - Project Reality
by Victor Mildew » Tue May 18, 2021 12:55 pm

It's like when Hasselhoff booked Wembley for a gig, and they only sold 9 tickets.

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by Garth » Tue May 18, 2021 1:10 pm

UK government split over Australia trade deal

The British government is locked in a “ferocious” internal battle over whether to sign off a trade deal with Australia after a split between the department of agriculture and the department of international trade over the terms of the agreement.

Two people with knowledge of internal discussions said ministers were divided over whether to grant tariff-free access to Australian farmers, which would risk a backlash from the UK farming industry — and potentially spark domestic political fallout.

People briefed on the internal discussions said Liz Truss, international trade secretary, regarded the issue as a “crunch point”. One government official said: “Liz argues that if you can’t get a good trade deal with Australia, who can you get one with?”

But she is meeting stiff opposition from George Eustice, the environment secretary, and Michael Gove, the Cabinet Office minister, who have warned of the political fallout from a zero-tariff deal, the two insiders said.

Both camps admit they have no idea which way Boris Johnson will jump on the issue. “It’s the $100m question,” said one government official. Downing Street declined to comment.

One person with knowledge of the discussions said: “There is an absolutely ferocious row going on in Whitehall over the Australia deal with real pressure to get it resolved by the end of this week. Gove and Eustice are on one side, Truss and [Lord David] Frost on the other.”

UK officials said Australian and New Zealand negotiators were holding firm on demands for full tariff liberalisation, which Truss was under pressure to grant in order to meet the G7 deadline, perhaps phased in over a 10-year period.

But such a deal risks inflaming arguments over Scottish and Welsh independence because the likely impact of zero-tariff imports of Australian lamb and beef will land hardest in rural areas such as Scottish and Welsh hill farms.

The government estimates that a free trade agreement with Australia would be worth an additional 0.01-0.02 per cent of GDP over 15 years — or £200m-£500m more than 2018 levels. “Basically we’re talking about signing off the slow death of British farming so Liz Truss can score a quick political point,” said one insider opposed to the deal.

Truss is adamant that Britain should trade with Australia on similar “zero tariff, zero quota” terms to the deal the UK struck with the EU.

Minette Batters, president of the National Farmers’ Union, warned that British farmers could never compete if Australian farmers, with their “massive feedlots and soulless ranches”, were granted zero-tariff access to the UK — even if phased in over time.

“The government says it wants to ‘level up’ Britain. But this can never be achieved by throwing our family farms under the bus,” she wrote in the Mail on Sunday. 

At the same time, Lord Daniel Hannan, a pro-Brexit conservative peer who was appointed last September to the UK board of trade as an adviser, alongside the former Australian prime minister Tony Abbott, argued vociferously for the deal.

Hannan accused the “National Farmers’ Union officials, the Defra blob and a handful of Tory backwoodsmen” of trying to preserve the status quo and failing to embrace the free trade opportunities of Brexit, which included exports to Asia where meat prices are higher than in Europe.

“If we can’t do a proper trade deal even with our kinsmen Down Under, we might as well throw in the towel,” he wrote in the Sunday Telegraph.

“If these deals with Australia and New Zealand don’t get done because of domestic opposition, that pretty much says the UK is not doing anything with global Britain. Because if we can’t do these, well, in truth, everything gets more difficult from here,”

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PostRe: Brexit Thread 3 - Project Reality
by JCDenton » Tue May 18, 2021 1:17 pm

You looking to trade?

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PostRe: Brexit Thread 3 - Project Reality
by Hypes » Tue May 18, 2021 1:32 pm

Moggy wrote:

twitter.com/archer_rs/status/1394591664472301569



:lol:

How does this guy know?

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PostRe: Brexit Thread 3 - Project Reality
by Rocsteady » Mon May 31, 2021 2:12 pm

Spending another day talking to health insurers, what a joy this is.

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PostRe: Brexit Thread 3 - Project Reality
by Moggy » Wed Jun 02, 2021 6:39 am

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PostRe: Brexit Thread 3 - Project Reality
by That's not a growth » Wed Jun 02, 2021 7:21 am

It's apparently a major problem in all hospitality. I was talking to my Dad about it over the weekend, as he deals with lots of different companies, local and international - and lots of places are really struggling to fill job vacancies. Pubs, restaurants, hotels, cafes - Brexit and Covid combined have really changed the job market for these places.

But it doesn't seem like it'll be a quick fix either - it's not economically viable to pay these types of jobs the £25k+ required to qualify for a visa, and there doesn't seem to be enough people here currently who want these kind of jobs or are in a place in their life where they can do this kind of work (either due to the shift patterns, the low wage, or the physicality of the job - or just see it as a dead-end).

There's probably going to be a lot of businesses closing over the next couple of years, especially the cheaper places with the thinner margins and those outside of cities that can't get students to work for them or have less stable business (like those in seasonal tourist areas).

If I was an independent restaurant or bar owner I'd be worried right now.

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PostRe: Brexit Thread 3 - Project Reality
by Victor Mildew » Wed Jun 02, 2021 7:26 am

Amazing. This is the guy who immediately threw all his staff under the bus the second furlough was an option, then told them to go strawberry float themselves and work at Tesco if they had a problem with money, then wonders why people aren't flocking to work in his gooseberry fool pubs.

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