Brexit Thread 3 - Project Reality

[Garth]

twitter.com/DanielBoffey/status/1182616333420244992

WTF did Boris agree to?

[Cuttooth]

Border in the Irish Sea I guess?

[Photek]

DUP dropped and border in the Irish sea. I predicted this about a year ago at least.

[Return_of_the_STAR]

Tunnel negotiations? Is that a typing error?

[Photek]

Tunnel negotiations? Is that a typing error?

Nope.

[Garth]

Tunnel negotiations? Is that a typing error?

It's when they negotiate without telling anyone else the DUP what's going on.

[Garth]

twitter.com/PeterMueller9/status/1182631320733782022

twitter.com/JamesERothwell/status/1182634146071486464

[Peter Crisp]

I like the way the news swings from "Yay, a deal is close and were all saved!" to "A deal is impossible and always will be!" as it makes this whole process so much easier to follow.

[Peter Crisp]

twitter.com/PeterMueller9/status/1182631320733782022

twitter.com/JamesERothwell/status/1182634146071486464

We had to do something with that Brexit bus with the stupid slogan on it .

I have to agree with them though that the only solution seems to involve screwing Northern Ireland which I'm pretty sure isn't what people voted for .

[Garth]

I have to agree with them though that the only solution seems to involve screwing Northern Ireland which I'm pretty sure isn't what people voted for .

If we're to have Brexit forced on us in NI, I believe the public here would largely support having a special arrangement with the EU. The DUP however want us treated the same as the rest of the UK in a post-Brexit world, even if it would harm us more than the rest of the UK, because they see any special deal for NI as bringing us closer to a united Ireland. Though if NI gets a closer arrangement with the EU than the rest of the UK, the SNP will want the same for Scotland.

[Peter Crisp]

I have to agree with them though that the only solution seems to involve screwing Northern Ireland which I'm pretty sure isn't what people voted for .

If we're to have Brexit forced on us in NI, I believe the public here would largely support having a special arrangement with the EU. The DUP want us treated the same as the rest of the UK in a post-Brexit world, even if it would harm us more than the rest of the UK, because they see any special deal for NI as bringing us closer to a united Ireland. Though if NI gets a closer arrangement with the EU than the rest of the UK, the SNP will want the same for Scotland.

All my mums family live in Northern Ireland so I hope for the best outcome for them whatever that is.
If it means we have to have a separate system to the rest of the UK then so be it as long as it's ok with the people of Northern Ireland.

[Photek]

I have to agree with them though that the only solution seems to involve screwing Northern Ireland which I'm pretty sure isn't what people voted for .

Not exactly sure how NI are getting 'screwed'?

I get the impression you kinda don't know what you're talking about...

[Moggy]

I have to agree with them though that the only solution seems to involve screwing Northern Ireland which I'm pretty sure isn't what people voted for .

Not exactly sure how NI are getting 'screwed'?

I get the impression you kinda don't know what you're talking about...

It’ll be screwing the Unionists (and the rest of the UK).

N Ireland as a whole will probably be happy, if Varadkar is happy then it’ll be good for Ireland as a whole.

Will be interesting to see how Johnson tries to spin it with the DUP and other hardline Tories though.

Although I imagine he will not care about the DUP and the hardliners will conveniently forget any objections they had over N Ireland being treated the same as the rest of the UK.

[Photek]

The DUP don't represent all Unionists in NI plus the majority of Northern Ireland voted remain. So it's 'screwing the unionists' isn't actually screwing the people of Northern Ireland.

[Moggy]

The DUP don't represent all Unionists in NI.

I never said they did.

[Peter Crisp]

I have to agree with them though that the only solution seems to involve screwing Northern Ireland which I'm pretty sure isn't what people voted for .

Not exactly sure how NI are getting 'screwed'?

I get the impression you kinda don't know what you're talking about...

You're right in that I haven't been taking much notice of the process as I voted to stay in and think the whole thing is bloody stupid and I'm powerless to do anything about it other than vote against it in what I hope will be another referendum.

By screwed I mean that Northern Ireland may end up in a situation where they're having to treated differently to the rest of the UK which a fair few people will object to. If on the other hand the people of Northern Ireland actually don't give a strawberry float and would rather stay in a trade union with the EU then I'm wrong which is fine.
If all it does is destroy the Conservative party I'm also fine with that as I'm a Liberal Democrat voter (someone had to draw the short straw in life and be a Lib Dem voter ) so we can then still come third behind labour and The Monster Raving Loony Party.

[Moggy]

The DUP don't represent all Unionists in NI plus the majority of Northern Ireland voted remain. So it's 'screwing the unionists' isn't actually screwing the people of Northern Ireland.

As you edited. I never said the DUP represented all of N Ireland and my post clearly said N Ireland as a whole will probably be happy.

[Photek]

Just to like...underline the point here, NI's economy will be better inside the customs union, they voted remain overall so....I think the small price of DUP banana splits getting their nose bent out of joint is a tiny tiny price to pay.

Also, abortion/gay rights are coming via direct rule from the UK, it's a win win.

Now, personally, as an Irish man, (from the republic) Ireland is set to continue have a booming economy if the UK do a deal so, on this island, we all hope a deal is negotiated.

[Garth]

twitter.com/JamesERothwell/status/1182654344388317185

twitter.com/tnewtondunn/status/1182655098041913344

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[That]

@Peter: The people of NI on the whole would rather stay in the UK (though this is a very slight majority these days), and would also rather stay in the EU which means preferring as soft a Brexit as possible. The proposal is a bit of a catch-22 as an internal UK customs border will affect some people and the economy in NI as well. No borders would be best, both socially and for the economy. On balance though what I'm hearing is that most people in NI would definitely prefer a border in the sea to a border with the Republic of Ireland.

The wider ramifications for the UK of a border in the sea could be severe though. I can't see a future in which it doesn't cause NI to reunify with the ROI sooner rather than later, and that would make an independent Scotland even more likely.

I'm personally fine with the UK breaking up (smash the state and all that) but that's what MPs will be weighing up when they decide whether or not to vote for it.