Brexit Thread 3 - Project Reality

[Hexx]

McDonnell's been doing the rounds this morning

McDonnell reaffirmed Labour’s opposition to backing an interim government to stop a no-deal Brexit led by anyone other than Jeremy Corbyn. Asked to confirm that Labour would not support a vote in the Commons for someone else to lead an interim, cross-party governmnt of this kind, McDonnell replied: No, we won’t. We want to abide by the normal constitutional practice. Labour argues that, if the prime minister loses the confidence of the Commons, the normal procedure is for the leader of the opposition to be invited to form a government.

He did not rule out the Labour party officially being neutral in any second referendum on Brexit. Labour has said it would go into a general election promising a referendum on Brexit, with voters given the choice between backing remain and a credible leave option. McDonnell said he personally would campaign for remain. But asked if he would be happy for the party as a whole to be “agnostic” on the issue, McDonnell replied:
That’s one of the issues we’ve got to debate in the party. You know our democratic processes. I know people get frustrated with this ... but we’re a democratic party.

Although most Labour members want to remain in the EU, the shadow cabinet is deeply divided on this issue and there have been hints before that Corbyn could resolve this tension by allowing Labour members to take either side in a second referendum, with the party machine staying neutral. This is broadly the approach Harold Wilson took in the 1975 referendum. Recently Corbyn told the shadow cabinet that he had been reading a Wilson biography to learn more about how the then prime minister handled that issue.

[massimo]

Just listening to James O'Brien's cover on LBC, Maajid Nawaz.
He's just had a lady phone in, she has cancer. She's been told by the hospital she is being treated at to bring in her passport so they can prioritise her treatment.

[Knoyleo]

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-49389152

Lidl lines up suppliers to cover no-deal costs

Lidl's Irish business has reminded British suppliers they are expected to pay any EU import tariffs imposed on goods crossing borders after Brexit.

Currently, as both countries are member states, no tariffs are paid.

But Lidl's current contracts with suppliers contain a clause saying goods must be delivered with tariffs paid.

The supermarket said it had held workshops with British suppliers to make sure they had the necessary information to "avoid any disruption".

"We have been working closely for over two years with external consultants, not only to get our business Brexit ready, but also to ensure our valued suppliers are as prepared as possible.

"All existing Lidl contracts contain a DDP ('delivered duty paid') clause. In an effort to understand the level of preparedness of key UK suppliers we are communicating proactively with them and working together to resolve any potential barriers to supply," the supermarket said in a statement.

The delivered duty paid clause means that the cost of transporting goods, including tariffs on EU exports, are the responsibility of the supplier.

In the event of a no-deal Brexit, tariffs on EU exports would come into force automatically, according to World Trade Organization rules.

EU tariffs on food can be both high and complex.

On some types of beef it is 12.8% plus 265 euros per 100kg for meat from outside the EU. The average for dairy products is more than 35%.

Suppliers told the Times newspaper that other supermarkets are also likely to enforce deals similar to Lidl's agreement.

A supermarket source told the newspaper that the potential costs were too high for all suppliers to be able to cover them.

Prime Minister Boris Johnson has said that the UK will leave the EU with or without a deal on 31 October.

While he has committed to cutting tariffs on foreign goods being imported into the UK, tariffs for goods exported from the UK to the EU are outside of his control.

[Squinty]

From that, it means suppliers have additional costs then. That's going to work well.

[Lex-Man]

Does that mean that suppliers could go bust as they'd have to pay the tariffs and get the agreed price, meaning they could lose money on everything they ship?

[Ecno]

Does that mean that suppliers could go bust as they'd have to pay the tariffs and get the agreed price, meaning they could lose money on everything they ship?

There will be bumps in the road ahead...

[Moggy]

twitter.com/nickeardleybbc/status/1163424911739826176

Do these banana splits ever stop lying?

[Meep]

No use asking Stormont if they received a copy.

[Squinty]

Does that mean that suppliers could go bust as they'd have to pay the tariffs and get the agreed price, meaning they could lose money on everything they ship?

That's what I took from it.

[KK]

Backstop? Is that to do with plumbing and gooseberry fool?

The Northern Ireland backstop continues to be a sticking point in the Brexit negotiations, with Boris Johnson this week writing to the EU to say it must scrapped

Despite the impasse it has caused throughout the Brexit process, over a third of Brits (35%) say they don’t know what it is.

23% have heard of it but don’t know what it is.

While a further 12% have not heard of it at all.

44% say they have some understanding but don’t know fully.

Only 12% of the population say they know exactly what it is.

Hopeless.

[Squinty]

Worth mentioning that there's a petition for the recall of parliament.

[Lagamorph]

Backstop? Is that to do with plumbing and gooseberry fool?

The Northern Ireland backstop continues to be a sticking point in the Brexit negotiations, with Boris Johnson this week writing to the EU to say it must scrapped

Despite the impasse it has caused throughout the Brexit process, over a third of Brits (35%) say they don’t know what it is.

23% have heard of it but don’t know what it is.

While a further 12% have not heard of it at all.

44% say they have some understanding but don’t know fully.

Only 12% of the population say they know exactly what it is.

Hopeless.

Given that none of our politicians seem to know what it is either I can't say I blame a chunk of the public for not knowing what it is.

[Moggy]

twitter.com/sachinnakrani/status/1163927059699326976

Typical thick as gooseberry fool gashead.

[Blue Eyes]

Ah, man. I like Holloway. Well, I did anyway. banana split.

[Hexx]

twitter.com/tnewtondunn/status/1163963029924528133

[Lex-Man]

twitter.com/tnewtondunn/status/1163963029924528133

They were arguing no country would agree to the back stop because it would mean they would be annexing part of the UK, but now they want to annex Ireland.

[Moggy]

twitter.com/tnewtondunn/status/1163963029924528133

They were arguing no country would agree to the back stop because it would mean they would be annexing part of the UK, but now they want to annex Ireland.

I’m pretty sure they know it’s a stupid idea that neither Ireland or the EU would agree to. But it allows them to pretend they’ve made an effort and it’s all the EU’s or Ireland’s fault.

[Squinty]

Already starting to see the signs of quitters turning against him.

I also seem to be encountering lots of quitters online who are claiming that the backstop isn't the only issue with the WA. Is this a strawberry floating hivemind now?

[Meep]

Makes no sense at all. They want to separate an entire EU state from the rest of the single market just so they won't have to separate the market of six counties from the UK. Tail wagging dog.

Also doesn't make any logical sense, as Ireland could not maintain its current relations with the single market no matter how 'flexible' if the UK diverged under such a scenario. So the only solution is for the UK, or part of the UK, not the diverge. We could call this plan a "backstop" if you will.

[Corazon de Leon]

Ah, man. I like Holloway. Well, I did anyway. banana split.

He’s always been a banana split.