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by Oblomov Boblomov » Mon Jul 29, 2019 12:07 pm

Are we going to have anything left? :lol:

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PostRe: Brexit Thread 3
by Moggy » Mon Jul 29, 2019 12:09 pm

Oblomov Boblomov wrote:Are we going to have anything left? :lol:


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PostRe: Brexit Thread 3
by Squinty » Mon Jul 29, 2019 12:20 pm

It'll be fineeeeee

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by Lagamorph » Mon Jul 29, 2019 12:30 pm

Moggy wrote:
Oblomov Boblomov wrote:Are we going to have anything left? :lol:


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PostRe: Brexit Thread 3
by Denster » Mon Jul 29, 2019 2:23 pm

Calling an election just before the 31st Oct deadline (thus ensuring No Deal) is pretty canny from Boris. Brexit would bolster our vote as we'd hoover up a lot of the Brexit Party's share. That would possibly result in a modest but workable majority.

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PostRe: Brexit Thread 3
by Moggy » Mon Jul 29, 2019 2:28 pm

Denster wrote:Calling an election just before the 31st Oct deadline (thus ensuring No Deal) is pretty canny from Boris. Brexit would bolster our vote as we'd hoover up a lot of the Brexit Party's share. That would possibly result in a modest but workable majority.


It’s bloody awful for me, but I think you’re right.

An election before 31 October means he can kill off the Brexit Party while also enjoying his new leader bounce.

After 1 November he’ll either have pissed off the BP nutcases or will have plunged us into economic chaos.

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PostRe: Brexit Thread 3
by Blue Eyes » Mon Jul 29, 2019 2:29 pm

Moggy wrote:
Denster wrote:Calling an election just before the 31st Oct deadline (thus ensuring No Deal) is pretty canny from Boris. Brexit would bolster our vote as we'd hoover up a lot of the Brexit Party's share. That would possibly result in a modest but workable majority.


It’s bloody awful for me, but I think you’re right.

An election before 31 October means he can kill off the Brexit Party while also enjoying his new leader bounce.

After 1 November he’ll either have pissed off the BP nutcases or will have plunged us into economic chaos.

Doesn't seem that canny if he's planning on being PM for a long time.

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PostRe: Brexit Thread 3
by Moggy » Mon Jul 29, 2019 3:40 pm

Blue Eyes wrote:
Moggy wrote:
Denster wrote:Calling an election just before the 31st Oct deadline (thus ensuring No Deal) is pretty canny from Boris. Brexit would bolster our vote as we'd hoover up a lot of the Brexit Party's share. That would possibly result in a modest but workable majority.


It’s bloody awful for me, but I think you’re right.

An election before 31 October means he can kill off the Brexit Party while also enjoying his new leader bounce.

After 1 November he’ll either have pissed off the BP nutcases or will have plunged us into economic chaos.

Doesn't seem that canny if he's planning on being PM for a long time.


He’ll be down to a majority (including the DUP) of 1 soon.

Getting a decent majority now will give him 5 years. That would be pretty canny.

Of course he’s first got to persuade 2/3rds of Parliament to agree to an election and then persuade the country to vote for him. But he doesn’t want to be calling an election after Brexit and he doesn’t want to try ruling when his majority is gone.

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PostRe: Brexit Thread 3
by Kanbei » Mon Jul 29, 2019 3:53 pm

Moggy wrote:
Denster wrote:Calling an election just before the 31st Oct deadline (thus ensuring No Deal) is pretty canny from Boris. Brexit would bolster our vote as we'd hoover up a lot of the Brexit Party's share. That would possibly result in a modest but workable majority.


It’s bloody awful for me, but I think you’re right.

An election before 31 October means he can kill off the Brexit Party while also enjoying his new leader bounce.

After 1 November he’ll either have pissed off the BP nutcases or will have plunged us into economic chaos.


Won't be able to call an election without parliamentary approval because of the Fixed Terms Act.

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by Lex-Man » Mon Jul 29, 2019 3:54 pm

Kanbei wrote:
Moggy wrote:
Denster wrote:Calling an election just before the 31st Oct deadline (thus ensuring No Deal) is pretty canny from Boris. Brexit would bolster our vote as we'd hoover up a lot of the Brexit Party's share. That would possibly result in a modest but workable majority.


It’s bloody awful for me, but I think you’re right.

An election before 31 October means he can kill off the Brexit Party while also enjoying his new leader bounce.

After 1 November he’ll either have pissed off the BP nutcases or will have plunged us into economic chaos.


Won't be able to call an election without parliamentary approval because of the Fixed Terms Act.


Labour would probably go for an election.

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PostRe: Brexit Thread 3
by Kanbei » Mon Jul 29, 2019 3:54 pm

Lex-Man wrote:
Kanbei wrote:
Moggy wrote:
Denster wrote:Calling an election just before the 31st Oct deadline (thus ensuring No Deal) is pretty canny from Boris. Brexit would bolster our vote as we'd hoover up a lot of the Brexit Party's share. That would possibly result in a modest but workable majority.


It’s bloody awful for me, but I think you’re right.

An election before 31 October means he can kill off the Brexit Party while also enjoying his new leader bounce.

After 1 November he’ll either have pissed off the BP nutcases or will have plunged us into economic chaos.


Won't be able to call an election without parliamentary approval because of the Fixed Terms Act.


Labour would probably go for an election.


If it is seen as a way for Boris to go for no deal they would block it (probably, who knows with Corbyn)

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PostRe: Brexit Thread 3
by Moggy » Mon Jul 29, 2019 4:02 pm

Kanbei wrote:
Lex-Man wrote:
Kanbei wrote:
Moggy wrote:
Denster wrote:Calling an election just before the 31st Oct deadline (thus ensuring No Deal) is pretty canny from Boris. Brexit would bolster our vote as we'd hoover up a lot of the Brexit Party's share. That would possibly result in a modest but workable majority.


It’s bloody awful for me, but I think you’re right.

An election before 31 October means he can kill off the Brexit Party while also enjoying his new leader bounce.

After 1 November he’ll either have pissed off the BP nutcases or will have plunged us into economic chaos.


Won't be able to call an election without parliamentary approval because of the Fixed Terms Act.


Labour would probably go for an election.


If it is seen as a way for Boris to go for no deal they would block it (probably, who knows with Corbyn)


The only way I see Labour blocking it is if it is a cynical attempt at closing Parliament to force no deal through.

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PostRe: Brexit Thread 3
by Lex-Man » Mon Jul 29, 2019 4:10 pm

Moggy wrote:
Kanbei wrote:
Lex-Man wrote:
Kanbei wrote:
Moggy wrote:
Denster wrote:Calling an election just before the 31st Oct deadline (thus ensuring No Deal) is pretty canny from Boris. Brexit would bolster our vote as we'd hoover up a lot of the Brexit Party's share. That would possibly result in a modest but workable majority.


It’s bloody awful for me, but I think you’re right.

An election before 31 October means he can kill off the Brexit Party while also enjoying his new leader bounce.

After 1 November he’ll either have pissed off the BP nutcases or will have plunged us into economic chaos.


Won't be able to call an election without parliamentary approval because of the Fixed Terms Act.


Labour would probably go for an election.


If it is seen as a way for Boris to go for no deal they would block it (probably, who knows with Corbyn)


The only way I see Labour blocking it is if it is a cynical attempt at closing Parliament to force no deal through.


In your view when do you see him setting the date? On the 31st?

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PostRe: Brexit Thread 3
by Moggy » Mon Jul 29, 2019 5:06 pm

Lex-Man wrote:
Moggy wrote:
Kanbei wrote:
Lex-Man wrote:
Kanbei wrote:
Moggy wrote:
Denster wrote:Calling an election just before the 31st Oct deadline (thus ensuring No Deal) is pretty canny from Boris. Brexit would bolster our vote as we'd hoover up a lot of the Brexit Party's share. That would possibly result in a modest but workable majority.


It’s bloody awful for me, but I think you’re right.

An election before 31 October means he can kill off the Brexit Party while also enjoying his new leader bounce.

After 1 November he’ll either have pissed off the BP nutcases or will have plunged us into economic chaos.


Won't be able to call an election without parliamentary approval because of the Fixed Terms Act.


Labour would probably go for an election.


If it is seen as a way for Boris to go for no deal they would block it (probably, who knows with Corbyn)


The only way I see Labour blocking it is if it is a cynical attempt at closing Parliament to force no deal through.


In your view when do you see him setting the date? On the 31st?


I’ve no idea, I’m not convinced he will do it, I just think if he has any sense he will.

An early/mid October election would probably get through Parliament. Late October possibly? It’s a definite no go if he wants it for 1 November just so Parliament is closed and no deal goes through.

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PostRe: Brexit Thread 3
by Hexx » Mon Jul 29, 2019 5:11 pm

Kanbei wrote:
Lex-Man wrote:
Kanbei wrote:
Moggy wrote:
Denster wrote:Calling an election just before the 31st Oct deadline (thus ensuring No Deal) is pretty canny from Boris. Brexit would bolster our vote as we'd hoover up a lot of the Brexit Party's share. That would possibly result in a modest but workable majority.


It’s bloody awful for me, but I think you’re right.

An election before 31 October means he can kill off the Brexit Party while also enjoying his new leader bounce.

After 1 November he’ll either have pissed off the BP nutcases or will have plunged us into economic chaos.


Won't be able to call an election without parliamentary approval because of the Fixed Terms Act.


Labour would probably go for an election.


If it is seen as a way for Boris to go for no deal they would block it (probably, who knows with Corbyn)


If Boris is smart he'll time if so the GE period closes Parliament at the end of October, so it can't block no deal.

That leaves Labor pretty snookered. They've been crowing for ages about wanting a GE, so they either vote for it (and enable No-Deal).

Or "backtrack" on wanting an GE and get blamed by Brexiteers if/when No-Deal is averted and we stay in the EU (for the time being)

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by Lex-Man » Mon Jul 29, 2019 5:12 pm

Moggy wrote:
Lex-Man wrote:
Moggy wrote:
Kanbei wrote:
Lex-Man wrote:
Kanbei wrote:
Moggy wrote:
Denster wrote:Calling an election just before the 31st Oct deadline (thus ensuring No Deal) is pretty canny from Boris. Brexit would bolster our vote as we'd hoover up a lot of the Brexit Party's share. That would possibly result in a modest but workable majority.


It’s bloody awful for me, but I think you’re right.

An election before 31 October means he can kill off the Brexit Party while also enjoying his new leader bounce.

After 1 November he’ll either have pissed off the BP nutcases or will have plunged us into economic chaos.


Won't be able to call an election without parliamentary approval because of the Fixed Terms Act.


Labour would probably go for an election.


If it is seen as a way for Boris to go for no deal they would block it (probably, who knows with Corbyn)


The only way I see Labour blocking it is if it is a cynical attempt at closing Parliament to force no deal through.


In your view when do you see him setting the date? On the 31st?


I’ve no idea, I’m not convinced he will do it, I just think if he has any sense he will.

An early/mid October election would probably get through Parliament. Late October possibly? It’s a definite no go if he wants it for 1 November just so Parliament is closed and no deal goes through.


It's just if it's too early it gives him the chance to extend the negotiations with the EU, without any threat from the BP for five years. After the 31st and he might be very unpopular.

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PostRe: Brexit Thread 3
by Moggy » Mon Jul 29, 2019 5:24 pm

Lex-Man wrote:
Moggy wrote:
Lex-Man wrote:
Moggy wrote:
Kanbei wrote:
Lex-Man wrote:
Kanbei wrote:
Moggy wrote:
Denster wrote:Calling an election just before the 31st Oct deadline (thus ensuring No Deal) is pretty canny from Boris. Brexit would bolster our vote as we'd hoover up a lot of the Brexit Party's share. That would possibly result in a modest but workable majority.


It’s bloody awful for me, but I think you’re right.

An election before 31 October means he can kill off the Brexit Party while also enjoying his new leader bounce.

After 1 November he’ll either have pissed off the BP nutcases or will have plunged us into economic chaos.


Won't be able to call an election without parliamentary approval because of the Fixed Terms Act.


Labour would probably go for an election.


If it is seen as a way for Boris to go for no deal they would block it (probably, who knows with Corbyn)


The only way I see Labour blocking it is if it is a cynical attempt at closing Parliament to force no deal through.


In your view when do you see him setting the date? On the 31st?


I’ve no idea, I’m not convinced he will do it, I just think if he has any sense he will.

An early/mid October election would probably get through Parliament. Late October possibly? It’s a definite no go if he wants it for 1 November just so Parliament is closed and no deal goes through.


It's just if it's too early it gives him the chance to extend the negotiations with the EU, without any threat from the BP for five years. After the 31st and he might be very unpopular.


Exactly. If called before November and assuming (it’s a big assumption!) he wins a decent majority then he has 5 years and can extend negotiations or call a referendum.

After November and he will have either “betrayed” the Brexit Party voters or will be fighting an election during the economic and social chaos of Brexit.

If he’s going to do it (and he needs to!) then he has to do it soon.

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PostRe: Brexit Thread 3
by Samuel_1 » Mon Jul 29, 2019 5:45 pm

Denster wrote:Calling an election just before the 31st Oct deadline (thus ensuring No Deal) is pretty canny from Boris. Brexit would bolster our vote as we'd hoover up a lot of the Brexit Party's share. That would possibly result in a modest but workable majority.

"Our vote" you'd actually vote for Boris and the cabinet of absolute bastards he's assembled? Jesus, strawberry floating, Christ :fp:

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by Denster » Mon Jul 29, 2019 5:46 pm

Samuel_1 wrote:
Denster wrote:Calling an election just before the 31st Oct deadline (thus ensuring No Deal) is pretty canny from Boris. Brexit would bolster our vote as we'd hoover up a lot of the Brexit Party's share. That would possibly result in a modest but workable majority.

"Our vote" you'd actually vote for Boris and the cabinet of absolute bastards he's assembled? Jesus, strawberry floating, Christ :fp:


Don't you read my posts in these threads?

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PostRe: Brexit Thread 3
by Samuel_1 » Mon Jul 29, 2019 5:50 pm

Denster wrote:
Samuel_1 wrote:
Denster wrote:Calling an election just before the 31st Oct deadline (thus ensuring No Deal) is pretty canny from Boris. Brexit would bolster our vote as we'd hoover up a lot of the Brexit Party's share. That would possibly result in a modest but workable majority.

"Our vote" you'd actually vote for Boris and the cabinet of absolute bastards he's assembled? Jesus, strawberry floating, Christ :fp:


Don't you read my posts in these threads?

But this is a whole other level of Tory, May's lot were awful, bloody awful, but the strawberry floaters Boris has put in place... Why would you vote for them? They only have their own interests at heart, they don't give a gooseberry fool about the electorate, apart from conning them into voting for them.

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