Brexit Thread 3 - Project Reality

[Squinty]

LOL at wee Jamie Bryson, Jim Gammonman and Labours finest orangeman supporter, Kate Hoey.

[Hexx]

twitter.com/grantshapps/status/1412745388730245120

[Return_of_the_STAR]

We don't need EU lorry drivers, we need tired British ones instead.

[Errkal]

ahhhh so brexit means pile ups on motorways due to lorry drivers falling asleep.

[Garth]

DUP leader calls for renegotiation of Brexit deal:
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-northern-ireland-57885367

[Photek]

DUP leader calls for renegotiation of Brexit deal:
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-northern-ireland-57885367

Tbf I think he has to be ‘seen to do something’, he knows there’s f**k all they can do now.

[Green Gecko]

I just wasted about 3 hours pulling together about 8 separate documents including multiple bank statements (proof of purchase), invoices, customs import and brokerage documents, VAT invoices and other stuff because I declared just over £150 worth of Import VAT against my registration, that I haven't even put on my return yet so not even close to getting it paid back yet (that'll take months).

Previously, I would have had to do... nothing. Like literally nothing, since it came from Poland. I'd just use the polish VAT number and that's it.

My business is so utterly insignificant it's ridiculous that check even needed to be made so I'm just coming here to complain about it. It's all about support Are British Biznizes... who now have to strawberry float around with stuff like this and see wholesale prices increase because other business who do import stuff have to do the same thing but on a monumental scale.

[Moggy]

I just wasted about 3 hours pulling together about 8 separate documents including multiple bank statements (proof of purchase), invoices, customs import and brokerage documents, VAT invoices and other stuff because I declared just over £150 worth of Import VAT against my registration, that I haven't even put on my return yet so not even close to getting it paid back yet (that'll take months).

Previously, I would have had to do... nothing. Like literally nothing, since it came from Poland. I'd just use the polish VAT number and that's it.

My business is so utterly insignificant it's ridiculous that check even needed to be made so I'm just coming here to complain about it. It's all about support Are British Biznizes... who now have to strawberry float around with stuff like this and see wholesale prices increase because other business who do import stuff have to do the same thing but on a monumental scale.

[Cuttooth]

Spanish woman in UK for 44 years sacked over post-Brexit rules

I'm sure glad we've collectively decided as a nation to cause this kind of suffering for precisely zero gain.

[Rex Kramer]

I just wasted about 3 hours pulling together about 8 separate documents including multiple bank statements (proof of purchase), invoices, customs import and brokerage documents, VAT invoices and other stuff because I declared just over £150 worth of Import VAT against my registration, that I haven't even put on my return yet so not even close to getting it paid back yet (that'll take months).

Previously, I would have had to do... nothing. Like literally nothing, since it came from Poland. I'd just use the polish VAT number and that's it.

My business is so utterly insignificant it's ridiculous that check even needed to be made so I'm just coming here to complain about it. It's all about support Are British Biznizes... who now have to strawberry float around with stuff like this and see wholesale prices increase because other business who do import stuff have to do the same thing but on a monumental scale.

Don't worry though, Liz Truss is signing us up to a market place on the other side of the world...

[Photek]

Spanish woman in UK for 44 years sacked over post-Brexit rules

I'm sure glad we've collectively decided as a nation to cause this kind of suffering for precisely zero gain.

Can you really be considered 'spanish' if you've lived in the UK since you were 11 months old for 44 years?

[Cuttooth]

Spanish woman in UK for 44 years sacked over post-Brexit rules

I'm sure glad we've collectively decided as a nation to cause this kind of suffering for precisely zero gain.

Can you really be considered 'spanish' if you've lived in the UK since you were 11 months old for 44 years?

Yes? She will be a Spanish national despite not having a Spanish passport, even until the point she gains official British nationality, should she want to.

The point is that the Home Office's hostile environment policies cause direct harm to people who have grown up here, who typically don't have the means to fight them. Brexit has simply given them a whole new group of victims to target.

[Return_of_the_STAR]

Spanish woman in UK for 44 years sacked over post-Brexit rules

I'm sure glad we've collectively decided as a nation to cause this kind of suffering for precisely zero gain.

Can you really be considered 'spanish' if you've lived in the UK since you were 11 months old for 44 years?

Yes? She will be a Spanish national despite not having a Spanish passport, even until the point she gains official British nationality, should she want to.

The point is that the Home Office's hostile environment policies cause direct harm to people who have grown up here, who typically don't have the means to fight them. Brexit has simply given them a whole new group of victims to target.

It's crazy isn't it. Yes she is Spanish as she was born in Spain and has never gained British nationality. You could argue she should have done this year's ago but until recently there was zero need to do so.

What I don't understand is why other means aren't being used to allow people to prove they are entitled to settled status. She's attended all her schooling here, worked and paid tax for decades to this country. It can't be hard for them to accept this as eligibility surely?

[Squinty]

It's more proving that and the hoops that they have to jump through to do that. I think that seems to be the issue. It was with the windrush people.

[Green Gecko]

I just wasted about 3 hours pulling together about 8 separate documents including multiple bank statements (proof of purchase), invoices, customs import and brokerage documents, VAT invoices and other stuff because I declared just over £150 worth of Import VAT against my registration, that I haven't even put on my return yet so not even close to getting it paid back yet (that'll take months).

Previously, I would have had to do... nothing. Like literally nothing, since it came from Poland. I'd just use the polish VAT number and that's it.

My business is so utterly insignificant it's ridiculous that check even needed to be made so I'm just coming here to complain about it. It's all about support Are British Biznizes... who now have to strawberry float around with stuff like this and see wholesale prices increase because other business who do import stuff have to do the same thing but on a monumental scale.

Don't worry though, Liz Truss is signing us up to a market place on the other side of the world...

But the polish make the best 6w laser module for a cnc machine. The American one is literally 3D printed and for the same price mine is milled out of solid 3000 series aluminium and attaches with magnets

It literally would have cost the same to ship the American alternative over here and there's nothing anyone can do about transcontinental shipping costs on every single consignment.

It's strawberry floating ridiculous. Some of the best engineering in the world comes from central Europe.

[Cuttooth]

Spanish woman in UK for 44 years sacked over post-Brexit rules

I'm sure glad we've collectively decided as a nation to cause this kind of suffering for precisely zero gain.

Can you really be considered 'spanish' if you've lived in the UK since you were 11 months old for 44 years?

Yes? She will be a Spanish national despite not having a Spanish passport, even until the point she gains official British nationality, should she want to.

The point is that the Home Office's hostile environment policies cause direct harm to people who have grown up here, who typically don't have the means to fight them. Brexit has simply given them a whole new group of victims to target.

It's crazy isn't it. Yes she is Spanish as she was born in Spain and has never gained British nationality. You could argue she should have done this year's ago but until recently there was zero need to do so.

What I don't understand is why other means aren't being used to allow people to prove they are entitled to settled status. She's attended all her schooling here, worked and paid tax for decades to this country. It can't be hard for them to accept this as eligibility surely?

It's a deliberately complex and expensive process with officials typically taking a disbelieving view on the claimant. Even in this case where the Home Office are less directly involved (i.e they don't appear to be trying to actively deport her yet) the policy of employers being held financially liable for this is designed to push immigrants to return "home" out of desperation.

It is an inhumane way to treat people.

[Benzin]

Spanish woman in UK for 44 years sacked over post-Brexit rules

I'm sure glad we've collectively decided as a nation to cause this kind of suffering for precisely zero gain.

Can you really be considered 'spanish' if you've lived in the UK since you were 11 months old for 44 years?

Yes? She will be a Spanish national despite not having a Spanish passport, even until the point she gains official British nationality, should she want to.

The point is that the Home Office's hostile environment policies cause direct harm to people who have grown up here, who typically don't have the means to fight them. Brexit has simply given them a whole new group of victims to target.

It's crazy isn't it. Yes she is Spanish as she was born in Spain and has never gained British nationality. You could argue she should have done this year's ago but until recently there was zero need to do so.

What I don't understand is why other means aren't being used to allow people to prove they are entitled to settled status. She's attended all her schooling here, worked and paid tax for decades to this country. It can't be hard for them to accept this as eligibility surely?

It's a deliberately complex and expensive process with officials typically taking a disbelieving view on the claimant. Even in this case where the Home Office are less directly involved (i.e they don't appear to be trying to actively deport her yet) the policy of employers being held financially liable for this is designed to push immigrants to return "home" out of desperation.

It is an inhumane way to treat people.

See also, disability benefit.

Pretty much all of the government systems are designed to be as difficult as possible to put people off doing it.

[Moggy]

Spanish woman in UK for 44 years sacked over post-Brexit rules

I'm sure glad we've collectively decided as a nation to cause this kind of suffering for precisely zero gain.

Can you really be considered 'spanish' if you've lived in the UK since you were 11 months old for 44 years?

Yes? She will be a Spanish national despite not having a Spanish passport, even until the point she gains official British nationality, should she want to.

The point is that the Home Office's hostile environment policies cause direct harm to people who have grown up here, who typically don't have the means to fight them. Brexit has simply given them a whole new group of victims to target.

It's crazy isn't it. Yes she is Spanish as she was born in Spain and has never gained British nationality. You could argue she should have done this year's ago but until recently there was zero need to do so.

What I don't understand is why other means aren't being used to allow people to prove they are entitled to settled status. She's attended all her schooling here, worked and paid tax for decades to this country. It can't be hard for them to accept this as eligibility surely?

It's a deliberately complex and expensive process with officials typically taking a disbelieving view on the claimant. Even in this case where the Home Office are less directly involved (i.e they don't appear to be trying to actively deport her yet) the policy of employers being held financially liable for this is designed to push immigrants to return "home" out of desperation.

It is an inhumane way to treat people.

See also, disability benefit.

Pretty much all of the government systems are designed to be as difficult as possible to put people off doing it.

You have to make it difficult though or else people will take the piss!

[Skarjo]

Spanish woman in UK for 44 years sacked over post-Brexit rules

I'm sure glad we've collectively decided as a nation to cause this kind of suffering for precisely zero gain.

Can you really be considered 'spanish' if you've lived in the UK since you were 11 months old for 44 years?

Yes? She will be a Spanish national despite not having a Spanish passport, even until the point she gains official British nationality, should she want to.

The point is that the Home Office's hostile environment policies cause direct harm to people who have grown up here, who typically don't have the means to fight them. Brexit has simply given them a whole new group of victims to target.

It's crazy isn't it. Yes she is Spanish as she was born in Spain and has never gained British nationality. You could argue she should have done this year's ago but until recently there was zero need to do so.

What I don't understand is why other means aren't being used to allow people to prove they are entitled to settled status. She's attended all her schooling here, worked and paid tax for decades to this country. It can't be hard for them to accept this as eligibility surely?

Yea it's mad, because I'm in the exact same boat and would be considered French by these standards.

Not actually entirely sure how I got a UK passport but I'm not going to pull at that thread.

[Moggy]

Spanish woman in UK for 44 years sacked over post-Brexit rules

I'm sure glad we've collectively decided as a nation to cause this kind of suffering for precisely zero gain.

Can you really be considered 'spanish' if you've lived in the UK since you were 11 months old for 44 years?

Yes? She will be a Spanish national despite not having a Spanish passport, even until the point she gains official British nationality, should she want to.

The point is that the Home Office's hostile environment policies cause direct harm to people who have grown up here, who typically don't have the means to fight them. Brexit has simply given them a whole new group of victims to target.

It's crazy isn't it. Yes she is Spanish as she was born in Spain and has never gained British nationality. You could argue she should have done this year's ago but until recently there was zero need to do so.

What I don't understand is why other means aren't being used to allow people to prove they are entitled to settled status. She's attended all her schooling here, worked and paid tax for decades to this country. It can't be hard for them to accept this as eligibility surely?

Yea it's mad, because I'm in the exact same boat and would be considered French by these standards.

Not actually entirely sure how I got a UK passport but I'm not going to pull at that thread.

One of the stereotypes of French men is that they are lotharios who cannot stick to just one partner.

I'm shocked that Skarjo is confirming this myth.