Brexit Thread 3 - Project Reality
Posted: Tue Jul 23, 2019 12:37 am
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Posted: Tue Jul 23, 2019 5:16 am
It’s not nearly enough to offset a no deal Brexit but at least it’s something.
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Posted: Tue Jul 23, 2019 7:26 am
Garth wrote:
Neither of these two things will happen.
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Posted: Tue Jul 23, 2019 7:31 am
I don't see a no confidence vote passing. I think it's more likely for an election to called just out of necessity.
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Posted: Tue Jul 23, 2019 7:40 am
The Tories have a majority of between 0 and 3 even with the DUP, and there are 6 Tories threatening to defect to the Lib Dems when Johnson takes over. They may not be able to avoid a General Election pretty sharpish
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Posted: Tue Jul 23, 2019 7:54 am
Which would be a mistake. With Johnson in charge and Corbyn as the opposition then the Tories would come out of it with a majority and maybe use the opportunity to move on some of their more remainer MPs (maybe by sending them out to die in different constituencies). It will take time for Johnson's incompetence to shine through, in the early days he can ride a wave of 'give the new guy a chance'.
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Posted: Tue Jul 23, 2019 8:06 am
Rex Kramer wrote:Which would be a mistake. With Johnson in charge and Corbyn as the opposition then the Tories would come out of it with a majority and maybe use the opportunity to move on some of their more remainer MPs (maybe by sending them out to die in different constituencies). It will take time for Johnson's incompetence to shine through, in the early days he can ride a wave of 'give the new guy a chance'.
Part of me thinks that and part of me remembers when Theresa May called a snap election thinking she'd get a majority....
Johnson is hard to read on things like this. He only cares about himself and so will want to protect his position, but he is also an egomaniac that probably thinks he'd win easily and gain a massive majority.
If a number of Tories defect to the Lib Dems, then I think he'll have no choice but to call an election. But I am not convinced many (if any) Tories will actually defect.
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Posted: Tue Jul 23, 2019 8:09 am
Funniest thing would be if, after all this talk of what Boris may or may not do, is if Hunt wins the vote.
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Posted: Tue Jul 23, 2019 8:17 am
Drumstick wrote:Funniest thing would be if, after all this talk of what Boris may or may not do, is if Hunt wins the vote.
As much as I hate Johnson, in a weird way I think Hunt would be worse for us. He's more competent than Johnson so there would be less chance of a complete governmental collapse. And Hunt is less likely to flipflop on his position, he'd see what happened with May and think he has to go through with the No Deal. With Johnson there is always a decent chance he'll suddenly decide that a referendum/revocation is the best way.
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Posted: Tue Jul 23, 2019 11:45 am
Lithuanian European commissioner accuses Boris Johnson of 'unrealistic promises' and ignoring economic reality
In an extraordinary blog Vytenis Andriukaitis, the European commissioner for health and food safety, who is from Lithuania, suggests that Boris Johnson and his fellow Brexiters are just as dishonest as Boris Yeltsin and other politicians were in post-Soviet Russia. Here’s an excerpt.Almost ironically, without comparing the UK itself with the USSR because it is not comparable, I can’t think of a better golden standard than the USSR in terms of fact distortion, reality falsification and blunt oblivions of reality.
Then there were the heroes of the perestroika era swearing that they would create a market economy in post-Soviet Russia within 500 days! ‘500 Day Programme’ is history. Like the other the most unrealistic promises at the time, this never became a reality. People paid for these empty and broken promises with impoverishment, inequality and much more. The programme also left one infamous quote: ‘Boris, ti ne prav’ (‘Boris, you are wrong’)!
It is a different Boris, of course, but there was something in the way of doing politics that was similar: many unrealistic promises, ignoring economic rationales and rational decisions. These decisions led to a new autocratic constitution and finally paved the way to Vladimir Putin. Today in Russia we have oligarchs, a pseudo-market economy, a regulated, governed pseudo-democracy. And, Putin’s authoritarianism. For Boris Yeltsin, the warning came true: “Boris, you are wrong”. Hopefully, it will not be the case for Boris Johnson if he is elected today.
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Posted: Tue Jul 23, 2019 1:03 pm