Brexit Thread 3 - Project Reality

[Cuttooth]

Boris needs to force a general election by going to see the Queen and asking the opposition to form a government, which they won't be able to do. Boom, general election.
Force Corbyn's hand.

What on earth are you talking about?

If Boris goes to the Queen and says that he is no longer able to govern the country as he does not have a majority, the opportunity will be given to Labour to do so. Labour will be unable to either, so we would go to a general erection.

It was on the news earlier

Labour would have two weeks to attempt to form a government and would aim to form one of national unity to extend Article 50 before calling a general election. The idea that Corbyn specifically is too unpalatable to head a government of unity would be quite strenuously tested given some decision would have to be made. There might be a proxy PM, who knows. Regardless, if Johnson calls a vote of no confidence in himself (either with an actual vote or apparently making the government quit, which might not be a real thing) to force an election he says neither he nor the public want, then he's setting himself up for a lot of problems.

[Moggy]

"Jeremy, would you like to form a government'
'Sure thing your maj'

Then sit on your hands until 1st November.

Queen: "You have 14 days"

And what do you think would happen in those 14 days?

Corbyn would form a government and take steps to ensure that a delay to Brexit was enacted. He'd then call for an election. No other party would strike his government down as long as he stuck to the plan of a Brexit delay followed by an election.

The whole point of Johnson wanting an election called right now is so he can con everyone and change the date of the election. If he makes Corbyn the Prime Minister, then Johnson can't do anything about it.

And he also makes himself look weak, pisses off the Conservative party, pisses off the Brexit Party, becomes the shortest serving PM in history and loses what little control he still has.

[Jenuall]

twitter.com/THemingford/status/1169866259170652160

I mean I know it's crass to judge on looks but Jesus


Back on the old nose candy do we think?

Boris has just taken 4 grams of coke to relax him for his speech:

[Mommy Christmas]

"Jeremy, would you like to form a government'
'Sure thing your maj'

Then sit on your hands until 1st November.

Queen: "You have 14 days"

And what do you think would happen in those 14 days?

Corbyn would form a government and take steps to ensure that a delay to Brexit was enacted. He'd then call for an election. No other party would strike his government down as long as he stuck to the plan of a Brexit delay followed by an election.

The whole point of Johnson wanting an election called right now is so he can con everyone and change the date of the election. If he makes Corbyn the Prime Minister, then Johnson can't do anything about it.

And he also makes himself look weak, pisses off the Conservative party, pisses off the Brexit Party, becomes the shortest serving PM in history and loses what little control he still has.

A government of majority is required. There is no way he can get everyone together to do that. Not a hope.

[Winckle]

"Jeremy, would you like to form a government'
'Sure thing your maj'

Then sit on your hands until 1st November.

Queen: "You have 14 days"

And what do you think would happen in those 14 days?

Corbyn would form a government and take steps to ensure that a delay to Brexit was enacted. He'd then call for an election. No other party would strike his government down as long as he stuck to the plan of a Brexit delay followed by an election.

The whole point of Johnson wanting an election called right now is so he can con everyone and change the date of the election. If he makes Corbyn the Prime Minister, then Johnson can't do anything about it.

And he also makes himself look weak, pisses off the Conservative party, pisses off the Brexit Party, becomes the shortest serving PM in history and loses what little control he still has.

A government of majority is required. There is no way he can get everyone together to do that. Not a hope.

If Johnson behaved like you're suggesting, you may find it brings them together, especially if Corbyn just sticks to an agenda of "Get extension from EU, call an election".

[Cuttooth]

There are 20-odd former Tories who suddenly don't have anything to lose to support a short Labour government with an agenda of two very specific actions. It'll be two weeks of deciding whether Corbyn or random backbencher is the person to head it up, but ultimately it would result in a new government.

[Moggy]

"Jeremy, would you like to form a government'
'Sure thing your maj'

Then sit on your hands until 1st November.

Queen: "You have 14 days"

And what do you think would happen in those 14 days?

Corbyn would form a government and take steps to ensure that a delay to Brexit was enacted. He'd then call for an election. No other party would strike his government down as long as he stuck to the plan of a Brexit delay followed by an election.

The whole point of Johnson wanting an election called right now is so he can con everyone and change the date of the election. If he makes Corbyn the Prime Minister, then Johnson can't do anything about it.

And he also makes himself look weak, pisses off the Conservative party, pisses off the Brexit Party, becomes the shortest serving PM in history and loses what little control he still has.

A government of majority is required. There is no way he can get everyone together to do that. Not a hope.

All a government has to do is show that it has the confidence of the House. After Johnson's bullshit and with the very real risk of No Deal Brexit, the House will temporarily support Corbyn as a desperate last measure.

He doesn't have to be there long. The confidence of the House doesn't have to last very long. And he wouldn't be there as a full time PM, he would be a caretaker until the election announcement followed a few weeks later.

[OrangeRKN]

Confidence of the house =/= majority government right? Like the house can vote in favour of a Labour government knowing that it would be easy to block any legislation they didn't like.

[Moggy]

Confidence of the house =/= majority government right? Like the house can vote in favour of a Labour government knowing that it would be easy to block any legislation they didn't like.

Yep.

The current government doesn’t have a majority and is able to stay as the government. If Boris quits and tells Corbyn to have a go then there’s nothing stopping him until a VONC is called and lost.

[captain red dog]

If Boris resigns the government, I'd expect Ken Clarke to lead a unity govt until after 31st and then call a GE. He isn't standing again anyway. Sadly it would also mean taking Boris's record as shortest serving PM.

If the opposition can't get behind anything which can last 50 or so days, then frankly they deserve the shafting they will get from the Tories in return.

[Moggy]

If Boris resigns the government, I'd expect Ken Clarke to lead a unity govt until after 31st and then call a GE. He isn't standing again anyway. Sadly it would also mean taking Boris's record as shortest serving PM.

Yeah I think Ken would be a decent caretaker. It wouldn't be seen as propping up Corbyn by the other parties, he's very pro-European and he isn't actually going to have any power to implement old school Tory policies.

And it wouldn't be so bad taking away Johnson's record as shortest serving PM. Let the prick have nothing.

[Tineash]

We're back on the GNU fantasies I see.

[Moggy]

We're back on the GNU fantasies I see.

Why not, we’re living under Britain Trump, we might as well fantasise about a better government.

[Garth]

twitter.com/UKHouseofLords/status/1169982601198809088

[Preezy]

So... no No Deal?

[Met]

So we're good until the end of January unless BoJo just flat out breaks the law, right?

[Garth]

twitter.com/LordCFalconer/status/1169972217272242176

[Cheeky Devlin]

So we're good until the end of January unless BoJo just flat out breaks the law, right?

I think we still need the EU to agree to an extension, but most people think that's a given at this point.

[Alvin Flummux]

Can we lynch Cameron for the harm his bullshit referendum did to Britain's political structures and reputation?

[Moggy]

So... no No Deal?

No.

There could still be a No Deal if there’s an election before the extension is agreed. There could still be a No Deal after 31 January 2020. It’s possible in the extension period that a PM/Parliament could take us out immediately.

It’s looking unlikely that we’ll be leaving (with or without a deal) before February next year though.