Brexit Thread 3 - Project Reality

[OrangeRKN]

All of this could have been avoided if we'd never invoked Article 50 (but still entered into negotiating a withdrawal agreement).

So frustrating

[Moggy]

All of this could have been avoided if we'd never invoked Article 50 (but still entered into negotiating a withdrawal agreement).

So frustrating

Or if Cameron had had the bloody sense to force Leave to actually come up with a position before the referendum. Leave had an enormous advantage because leaving the EU meant hundreds of different things.

[Squinty]

All of this could have been avoided if we'd never invoked Article 50 (but still entered into negotiating a withdrawal agreement).

So frustrating

I thought we needed to invoke to start that process? Maybe I'm wrong.

[OrangeRKN]

All of this could have been avoided if we'd never invoked Article 50 (but still entered into negotiating a withdrawal agreement).

So frustrating

I thought we needed to invoke to start that process? Maybe I'm wrong.

The EU said we'd have to before they started negotiations. Even if they stuck to that we could have taken some time on our side to decide the kind of deal we wanted.

[Jenuall]

All of this could have been avoided if we'd never invoked Article 50 (but still entered into negotiating a withdrawal agreement).

So frustrating

I thought we needed to invoke to start that process? Maybe I'm wrong.

The EU said we'd have to before they started negotiations. Even if they stuck to that we could have taken some time on our side to decide the kind of deal we wanted.

Yeah, it was basically the main bargaining chip we had in our corner - we could have planned internally and potentially began early discussions and negotiations without the looming deadline closing in on us the whole time.

And if the result of those discussions was "this looks like a gooseberry fool idea" then it would have been much easier to just change our minds.

[Squinty]

All of this could have been avoided if we'd never invoked Article 50 (but still entered into negotiating a withdrawal agreement).

So frustrating

I thought we needed to invoke to start that process? Maybe I'm wrong.

The EU said we'd have to before they started negotiations. Even if they stuck to that we could have taken some time on our side to decide the kind of deal we wanted.

Agreed.

[Oblomov Boblomov]

I'm convinced we're comfortably set on the path towards a People's Vote and ultimately a glorious victory for Remain.

Please can we make it a huge forum event? Logos, guestbooks, a themed AYA? and anything else we can think of to celebrate.

[Moggy]

I'm convinced we're comfortably set on the path towards a People's Vote and ultimately a glorious victory for Remain.

Please can we make it a huge forum event? Logos, guestbooks, a themed AYA? and anything else we can think of to celebrate.

What makes you think that?

It’s all depends on who wins the upcoming election. And I don’t see Labour winning it.

Best hope is a hung Parliament where Tories are the biggest party but even the DUP can’t give them a majority. But that just leaves us where we are now.

[Blue Eyes]

I'm convinced we're comfortably set on the path towards a People's Vote and ultimately a glorious victory for Remain.

Please can we make it a huge forum event? Logos, guestbooks, a themed AYA? and anything else we can think of to celebrate.

I'd bloody love that, but I think you're being rather over-confident.

[Blue Eyes]

I'm convinced we're comfortably set on the path towards a People's Vote and ultimately a glorious victory for Remain.

Please can we make it a huge forum event? Logos, guestbooks, a themed AYA? and anything else we can think of to celebrate.

What makes you think that?

It’s all depends on who wins the upcoming election. And I don’t see Labour winning it.

Best hope is a hung Parliament where Tories are the biggest party but even the DUP can’t give them a majority. But that just leaves us where we are now.

I'd love that. Wonder how many years we can be strawberry floating doing this.

[Squinty]

I hope that happens. Can't see it though.

[Moggy]

I'm convinced we're comfortably set on the path towards a People's Vote and ultimately a glorious victory for Remain.

Please can we make it a huge forum event? Logos, guestbooks, a themed AYA? and anything else we can think of to celebrate.

What makes you think that?

It’s all depends on who wins the upcoming election. And I don’t see Labour winning it.

Best hope is a hung Parliament where Tories are the biggest party but even the DUP can’t give them a majority. But that just leaves us where we are now.

I'd love that. Wonder how many years we can be strawberry floating doing this.

Limbo might be gooseberry fool, but it’s probably better than hell.

[Rex Kramer]

All of this could have been avoided if we'd never invoked Article 50 (but still entered into negotiating a withdrawal agreement).

So frustrating

At the very least we could have agreed in parliament what Brexit there was a majority for. Only problem would be the ERG continually shifting their goalposts but those banana splits would probably only be happy if Brexit left Germany and France on fire.

[Oblomov Boblomov]

I'm convinced we're comfortably set on the path towards a People's Vote and ultimately a glorious victory for Remain.

Please can we make it a huge forum event? Logos, guestbooks, a themed AYA? and anything else we can think of to celebrate.

What makes you think that?

It’s all depends on who wins the upcoming election. And I don’t see Labour winning it.

Best hope is a hung Parliament where Tories are the biggest party but even the DUP can’t give them a majority. But that just leaves us where we are now.

I can feel it in my bones .

Please could we have a volunteer to run the game? I'm thinking 'Are You A Brexiteer?' could be the simple but perfect premise.

[Moggy]

twitter.com/kfc_uki/status/1169970678658998277

[Moggy]

I'm convinced we're comfortably set on the path towards a People's Vote and ultimately a glorious victory for Remain.

Please can we make it a huge forum event? Logos, guestbooks, a themed AYA? and anything else we can think of to celebrate.

What makes you think that?

It’s all depends on who wins the upcoming election. And I don’t see Labour winning it.

Best hope is a hung Parliament where Tories are the biggest party but even the DUP can’t give them a majority. But that just leaves us where we are now.

I can feel it in my bones .

Please could we have a volunteer to run the game? I'm thinking 'Are You A Brexiteer?' could be the simple but perfect premise.

I’d kill myself before I’d accept being a Leaver.

[Dual]

Owned

[Herdanos]

I agree that limbo is better than No Deal, but limbo would be absolutely, phenomenally dreadful.

I have deliberately tried to avoid political discussion for some time (both here and across social media / the internet in general) because my IRL job involves trying to help those most directly impacted by and made vulnerable by the government and its austerity and hostile environment policy agenda. And basically for my own mental health I can't spend my non working hours thinking "gooseberry fool that's really going to hurt the worst off in society" and then my working hours with the worst off in society seeing what those tax cuts for the wealthy do.

We have a colossal issue with privilege in our society. Individuals genuinely believe their circumstances are achieved out of their own merit and no longer believe they have an obligation to support society at large, despite society at large being specifically created by others with means to allow them to live in the privilege they do.

For the few bob the wealthy don't need anyway but no longer pay thanks to Cameron's "we're all in this together" tax cut of 5% for the highest earners, thousands have died. Hundreds of thousands more live in incredible misery. I wish I were exaggerating even slightly.

I am praying that Boris manages to decimate the Conservative party, because they're a tumour on the country, and the longer we go without removing it, the more likely it becomes terminal. We desperately need radical change in this country.

I'm aware however that it's easier to simply have mates who own newspapers who will simply lie about your opponents and distort the agenda to allow you to live in unchallenged privilege. I don't really hold genuine hopes that Corbyn is electable as leader of a majority Labour government, but I continue to dream of a workable rainbow coalition where vast swathes of their manifesto are successfully implemented, with significant influence from Green Party policy (and a People's Vote, of course!)

But continuing in limbo literally means more impoverished people, abandoned by the state, perish.

"The first role of government is protection of the realm"
If the realm can only truly be defined as its citizens then the Conservatives are criminally complicit in stealing from the welfare state and, by extension, manslaughter. Put that on the cover of the strawberry floating Daily Mail.

[Garth]

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[Lex-Man]

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It'd be better to try and get the SNP to vote for the election. They seem more likely to go for it.