Errkal wrote:Voting green is pointless, it means tories win.
Realistically Labour is still the best option.
Yeah they are unicorning, but the outcome they offer from that is
“Whatever they can get (so Mays Deal then) vs Remain
It’s the best option we have available in an election situation so really is where backing needs to be or we are getting hard right tories and no deal.
Hopefully it won’t matter and they will all fight and win for another referendum as that’s what we need right now.
I find this stuff difficult because you're balancing politiical purity against pragmatism. There has to be a point where you can't vote for the second place party. Also it's heavily dependent on where you live.
If it was a normal election I’d say go for it, but right now we need to stop the tories, and really anything other than getting labour in means a far right Tory government headed by Johnson crashing us out of the eu and strawberry floating over everyone.
What if the Lib Dems have more chance of winning in your area or you know Plaid Cymru or SNP? I live in a Tory strong hold and their is not chance of anybody else winning, they'd have to be a 10,000 swing for Labour to win and that's after a 15% percent boast over the last election.
Well obviously if they have more chance they go for them, but I mean people that could have a meaningful labour vote but won’t use it, as strawberry floating stupid as Corbyn is if a vote his way helps kill off the bloody far right racist tories then it’s worth it.
Yep, that's what needs to be considered. People went against Labour in 2010 (understandably) and there were people voting for Lib Dems or Green in 2015 and 2017 that basically shot themselves in the foot because we ended up with a Tory Govt. We aren't even in the 2010 situation where the Tories could unite with the Lib Dems, they can only unite with far right parties like the DUP or Brexit extremists like the Brexit Party.
The top priority of Remainers or any on the centre or of the left, is to get the Tories out. If the Tories remain in government, then remain is much more difficult.
Labour must realise that barely a handful of people across the entire continent have the appetite for another deal to be negotiated, presumably from scratch, in the event they win a GE. However, they can't really run on the premise of a vote that incorporates a deal negotiated by the Tories. They also have to avoid alienating huge swathes of their base who voted to leave.
Oblomov Boblomov wrote:Labour must realise that barely a handful of people across the entire continent have the appetite for another deal to be negotiated, presumably from scratch, in the event they win a GE. However, they can't really run on the premise of a vote that incorporates a deal negotiated by the Tories. They also have to avoid alienating huge swathes of their base who voted to leave.
I can understand why they appear so rudderless.
Their stance kind of makes sense for them but it is a gamble and the media will (and already have) spin it against them as it's not as simple as leave or remain.
They have said that they will spend max 3 months negotiating a new deal, and then another 3 to put it to the people in a referendum. So at least it could all be over in 6 months if we then voted remain.