Brexit Thread 3

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by captain red dog » Sun Sep 22, 2019 6:41 pm

Errkal wrote:
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Errkal wrote:Voting green is pointless, it means tories win.

Realistically Labour is still the best option.

Yeah they are unicorning, but the outcome they offer from that is

“Whatever they can get (so Mays Deal then) vs Remain

It’s the best option we have available in an election situation so really is where backing needs to be or we are getting hard right tories and no deal.

Hopefully it won’t matter and they will all fight and win for another referendum as that’s what we need right now.


I find this stuff difficult because you're balancing politiical purity against pragmatism. There has to be a point where you can't vote for the second place party. Also it's heavily dependent on where you live.


If it was a normal election I’d say go for it, but right now we need to stop the tories, and really anything other than getting labour in means a far right Tory government headed by Johnson crashing us out of the eu and strawberry floating over everyone.


What if the Lib Dems have more chance of winning in your area or you know Plaid Cymru or SNP? I live in a Tory strong hold and their is not chance of anybody else winning, they'd have to be a 10,000 swing for Labour to win and that's after a 15% percent boast over the last election.


Well obviously if they have more chance they go for them, but I mean people that could have a meaningful labour vote but won’t use it, as strawberry floating stupid as Corbyn is if a vote his way helps kill off the bloody far right racist tories then it’s worth it.

Yep, that's what needs to be considered. People went against Labour in 2010 (understandably) and there were people voting for Lib Dems or Green in 2015 and 2017 that basically shot themselves in the foot because we ended up with a Tory Govt. We aren't even in the 2010 situation where the Tories could unite with the Lib Dems, they can only unite with far right parties like the DUP or Brexit extremists like the Brexit Party.

The top priority of Remainers or any on the centre or of the left, is to get the Tories out. If the Tories remain in government, then remain is much more difficult.

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by Rex Kramer » Mon Sep 23, 2019 10:13 am



I can imagine McCluskey is about to implode.

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by Oblomov Boblomov » Mon Sep 23, 2019 6:49 pm

Labour must realise that barely a handful of people across the entire continent have the appetite for another deal to be negotiated, presumably from scratch, in the event they win a GE. However, they can't really run on the premise of a vote that incorporates a deal negotiated by the Tories. They also have to avoid alienating huge swathes of their base who voted to leave.

I can understand why they appear so rudderless.

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by Photek » Tue Sep 24, 2019 7:08 am


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by Squinty » Tue Sep 24, 2019 8:03 am

Projeck faer!!1!!!!!!!!!!!

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by satriales » Tue Sep 24, 2019 9:05 am

Oblomov Boblomov wrote:Labour must realise that barely a handful of people across the entire continent have the appetite for another deal to be negotiated, presumably from scratch, in the event they win a GE. However, they can't really run on the premise of a vote that incorporates a deal negotiated by the Tories. They also have to avoid alienating huge swathes of their base who voted to leave.

I can understand why they appear so rudderless.

Their stance kind of makes sense for them but it is a gamble and the media will (and already have) spin it against them as it's not as simple as leave or remain.

They have said that they will spend max 3 months negotiating a new deal, and then another 3 to put it to the people in a referendum. So at least it could all be over in 6 months if we then voted remain.

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by Garth » Tue Sep 24, 2019 12:10 pm

Brexit must now be delayed, admits Brexit Party chairman

Richard Tice, chairman of the Brexit Party, tells the BBC that today's decision is "seismic, historic" but MPs must think about what happens next.

"As soon as Parliament is recalled tomorrow, Boris Johnson is probably going to have to offer his resignation," he says.

"There may well be a vote of no confidence."

He says the public must now realise that "we're not leaving the EU on 31 October".

"There will have to be an extension. When that penny drops, people are going to be increasingly angry across the country," he says.

Mr Tice says there will probably have to be an election in the first half of November.

"What does it say about the so-called master strategist Dominic Cummings? I trust he will be offering his resignation today."

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/live/uk-politics-49807552

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A delay won't do the Tories any favours in the upcoming election.

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by Garth » Tue Sep 24, 2019 1:13 pm


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PostRe: Brexit Thread 3
by Garth » Tue Sep 24, 2019 5:35 pm


Secure the Article 50 extension, then have the election please.

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PostRe: Brexit Thread 3
by Moggy » Tue Sep 24, 2019 5:42 pm

Garth wrote:
Secure the Article 50 extension, then have the election please.


I’d prefer a national unity government that holds a referendum, but an extension and then election is the next best option.

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by Lagamorph » Tue Sep 24, 2019 6:27 pm

Garth wrote:

But he's been so trustworthy up to now.
Boris wouldn't possibly do that.

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by Meep » Tue Sep 24, 2019 7:09 pm

Squinty wrote:Projeck faer!!1!!!!!!!!!!!

No, it's part of a new and devious plot called Project Reality, by which we fool the British public into think Brexit is a bad idea through the means of Brexit actually being a bad idea. Mwahahah.

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PostRe: Brexit Thread 3
by Garth » Tue Sep 24, 2019 7:18 pm

Chuka said on BBC just now Lib Dems wouldn't back a vote of no confidence until Article 50 extension secured, rightfully don't trust Boris either.

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by KK » Tue Sep 24, 2019 8:14 pm

Canadian Prime Minister Justin Trudeau said the UK's focus on Brexit is undermining the country's needed leadership in global affairs.

Asked to comment on the UK Supreme Court ruling, he said: "We've seen the instability and the challenges that the UK continues to go through as it is wrapped up with this issue."

"But we certainly deplore that they are so consumed by this issue that it is interfering with their ability to lead on so many other things where the UK's leadership in the world is so necessary.

German Chancellor Angela Merkel says the significance of the Supreme Court decision is "a domestic debate for Britain to have".

Speaking at the UN summit in New York, she added: "I continue to hope that we achieve a deal - as it is being called - or a treaty for the orderly exit of Britain from the EU.

"We are prepared for the other option but would prefer an orderly Brexit treaty."

Ruling 'changes very little' for EU

Katya Adler - BBC Europe Editor

Privately EU contacts have described the ruling to me as humiliating and an embarrassment for Boris Johnson.

But on the ground, when it comes to negotiations, the ruling changes very little.

It’s seen by the EU as a domestic political matter. The EU is not a player in that so it prefers to concentrate on where it actually has a role to play – and that is in negotiations.

After three years of Brexit debate, EU leaders would be delighted to have a deal signed, sealed and delivered by mid-October, as Boris Johnson wants, but they’re extremely sceptical about that.

And of course, the Supreme Court ruling does not change that at all.

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PostRe: Brexit Thread 3
by Dual » Tue Sep 24, 2019 8:21 pm

Hexx wrote:


:lol:

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PostRe: Brexit Thread 3
by Garth » Tue Sep 24, 2019 9:13 pm

Wonder what insufferable bollocks Mogg comes out with this time.


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