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Re: Brexit Thread 3

Posted: Tue Aug 13, 2019 10:32 am
by Photek
Jenuall wrote:Boris Johnson skipping away from his meeting with John Bolton hearing that the US would be keen to fast track a deal with the UK in a no-deal brexit scenario like it is some kind of a good thing. :dread: :fp:

Of course they will say that - they are absolutely desperate to get in and exploit the strawberry float out of the UK market, this is not a good thing to be hearing from a UK perspective! :fp:


I’d they have no solution to the Border over here congress will attempt block any US\UK trade deal.

Re: Brexit Thread 3

Posted: Tue Aug 13, 2019 10:41 am
by captain red dog
So if we crash out, what do people think will happen? I can see massive queues at airports and cancelled flights, probably large scale protests in London. I predict food shortages and fuel shortages due to panic buying and slower supply. How long could Boris realistically survive that?

Re: Brexit Thread 3

Posted: Tue Aug 13, 2019 10:59 am
by Lex-Man
captain red dog wrote:So if we crash out, what do people think will happen? I can see massive queues at airports and cancelled flights, probably large scale protests in London. I predict food shortages and fuel shortages due to panic buying and slower supply. How long could Boris realistically survive that?


You'd imagine not very long but there were large protests under Thatcher and she survived. We could be on the way to a huge change in the way the country is governed.

Re: Brexit Thread 3

Posted: Tue Aug 13, 2019 11:03 am
by Moggy
captain red dog wrote:So if we crash out, what do people think will happen? I can see massive queues at airports and cancelled flights, probably large scale protests in London. I predict food shortages and fuel shortages due to panic buying and slower supply. How long could Boris realistically survive that?


We’ve already seen how quickly people can flip their opinions when it comes to Brexit. Pre referendum we were getting an easy deal that would give us £350m a week. Post referendum people now claim to have voted for No Deal and to have understood we would actually be poorer.

All Johnson has to do is claim the EU have bullied us and that amazing trade deals are on the way and the Leavers will lap it up.

Re: Brexit Thread 3

Posted: Tue Aug 13, 2019 11:12 am
by Lex-Man
Moggy wrote:
captain red dog wrote:So if we crash out, what do people think will happen? I can see massive queues at airports and cancelled flights, probably large scale protests in London. I predict food shortages and fuel shortages due to panic buying and slower supply. How long could Boris realistically survive that?


We’ve already seen how quickly people can flip their opinions when it comes to Brexit. Pre referendum we were getting an easy deal that would give us £350m a week. Post referendum people now claim to have voted for No Deal and to have understood we would actually be poorer.

All Johnson has to do is claim the EU have bullied us and that amazing trade deals are on the way and the Leavers will lap it up.


Surely if it gets too bad it'll become harder for people to back him. When there are problems at airports or people can't afford to travel it'll create more of a concrete example for Remainers to point at as a problem of Brexit. At the moment everything is a bit theoretical and easy to ignore.

Re: Brexit Thread 3

Posted: Tue Aug 13, 2019 11:17 am
by Moggy
Lex-Man wrote:
Moggy wrote:
captain red dog wrote:So if we crash out, what do people think will happen? I can see massive queues at airports and cancelled flights, probably large scale protests in London. I predict food shortages and fuel shortages due to panic buying and slower supply. How long could Boris realistically survive that?


We’ve already seen how quickly people can flip their opinions when it comes to Brexit. Pre referendum we were getting an easy deal that would give us £350m a week. Post referendum people now claim to have voted for No Deal and to have understood we would actually be poorer.

All Johnson has to do is claim the EU have bullied us and that amazing trade deals are on the way and the Leavers will lap it up.


Surely if it gets too bad it'll become harder for people to back him. When there are problems at airports or people can't afford to travel it'll create more of a concrete example for Remainers to point at as a problem of Brexit. At the moment everything is a bit theoretical and easy to ignore.


People have effortlessly flipped from “we’ll have £350m a week for the NHS” to “we voted to be poorer for 50 years”.

These people will NEVER admit their mistake.

Re: Brexit Thread 3

Posted: Tue Aug 13, 2019 11:19 am
by Jenuall
Lex-Man wrote:
Moggy wrote:
captain red dog wrote:So if we crash out, what do people think will happen? I can see massive queues at airports and cancelled flights, probably large scale protests in London. I predict food shortages and fuel shortages due to panic buying and slower supply. How long could Boris realistically survive that?


We’ve already seen how quickly people can flip their opinions when it comes to Brexit. Pre referendum we were getting an easy deal that would give us £350m a week. Post referendum people now claim to have voted for No Deal and to have understood we would actually be poorer.

All Johnson has to do is claim the EU have bullied us and that amazing trade deals are on the way and the Leavers will lap it up.


Surely if it gets too bad it'll become harder for people to back him. When there are problems at airports or people can't afford to travel it'll create more of a concrete example for Remainers to point at as a problem of Brexit. At the moment everything is a bit theoretical and easy to ignore.

But it's already "real" and people are still ignoring it or believing the spin. The economy is shrinking, massive companies have pulled out of the UK, jobs are being lost.

I think we will see some people come round and accept that maybe this was a bad idea, but plenty more will double down on this being what they wanted or a problem caused by the EU/remoaners and nothing to do with the fact that Brexit is a complete gooseberry fool show.

Re: Brexit Thread 3

Posted: Tue Aug 13, 2019 11:35 am
by suzzopher
Moggy wrote:
Lex-Man wrote:
Moggy wrote:
captain red dog wrote:So if we crash out, what do people think will happen? I can see massive queues at airports and cancelled flights, probably large scale protests in London. I predict food shortages and fuel shortages due to panic buying and slower supply. How long could Boris realistically survive that?


We’ve already seen how quickly people can flip their opinions when it comes to Brexit. Pre referendum we were getting an easy deal that would give us £350m a week. Post referendum people now claim to have voted for No Deal and to have understood we would actually be poorer.

All Johnson has to do is claim the EU have bullied us and that amazing trade deals are on the way and the Leavers will lap it up.


Surely if it gets too bad it'll become harder for people to back him. When there are problems at airports or people can't afford to travel it'll create more of a concrete example for Remainers to point at as a problem of Brexit. At the moment everything is a bit theoretical and easy to ignore.


People have effortlessly flipped from “we’ll have £350m a week for the NHS” to “we voted to be poorer for 50 years”.

These people will NEVER admit their mistake.


These people will NEVER admit they're racist.

Plenty of people whom voted leave, have admitted it is a mistake, those still on board are doing it because they are racist, nationalists.

Re: Brexit Thread 3

Posted: Tue Aug 13, 2019 11:44 am
by Lex-Man
Jenuall wrote:
Lex-Man wrote:
Moggy wrote:
captain red dog wrote:So if we crash out, what do people think will happen? I can see massive queues at airports and cancelled flights, probably large scale protests in London. I predict food shortages and fuel shortages due to panic buying and slower supply. How long could Boris realistically survive that?


We’ve already seen how quickly people can flip their opinions when it comes to Brexit. Pre referendum we were getting an easy deal that would give us £350m a week. Post referendum people now claim to have voted for No Deal and to have understood we would actually be poorer.

All Johnson has to do is claim the EU have bullied us and that amazing trade deals are on the way and the Leavers will lap it up.


Surely if it gets too bad it'll become harder for people to back him. When there are problems at airports or people can't afford to travel it'll create more of a concrete example for Remainers to point at as a problem of Brexit. At the moment everything is a bit theoretical and easy to ignore.

But it's already "real" and people are still ignoring it or believing the spin. The economy is shrinking, massive companies have pulled out of the UK, jobs are being lost.

I think we will see some people come round and accept that maybe this was a bad idea, but plenty more will double down on this being what they wanted or a problem caused by the EU/remoaners and nothing to do with the fact that Brexit is a complete gooseberry fool show.


I think some people will double down but I think a lot of people will eventually admit it's a bad idea. I think it'll take people knowing somebody who's lost their job because of Brexit or losing their job because of Brexit for them to realise. When people can't go Spain for a cheap holiday because the cost seem ridiculous that's when they'll start to change their minds. Seeing stuff about people who they don't know losing their jobs won't sway anyone.

Re: Brexit Thread 3

Posted: Tue Aug 13, 2019 11:48 am
by Moggy
Lex-Man wrote:
Jenuall wrote:
Lex-Man wrote:
Moggy wrote:
captain red dog wrote:So if we crash out, what do people think will happen? I can see massive queues at airports and cancelled flights, probably large scale protests in London. I predict food shortages and fuel shortages due to panic buying and slower supply. How long could Boris realistically survive that?


We’ve already seen how quickly people can flip their opinions when it comes to Brexit. Pre referendum we were getting an easy deal that would give us £350m a week. Post referendum people now claim to have voted for No Deal and to have understood we would actually be poorer.

All Johnson has to do is claim the EU have bullied us and that amazing trade deals are on the way and the Leavers will lap it up.


Surely if it gets too bad it'll become harder for people to back him. When there are problems at airports or people can't afford to travel it'll create more of a concrete example for Remainers to point at as a problem of Brexit. At the moment everything is a bit theoretical and easy to ignore.

But it's already "real" and people are still ignoring it or believing the spin. The economy is shrinking, massive companies have pulled out of the UK, jobs are being lost.

I think we will see some people come round and accept that maybe this was a bad idea, but plenty more will double down on this being what they wanted or a problem caused by the EU/remoaners and nothing to do with the fact that Brexit is a complete gooseberry fool show.


I think some people will double down but I think a lot of people will eventually admit it's a bad idea. I think it'll take people knowing somebody who's lost their job because of Brexit or losing their job because of Brexit for them to realise. When people can't go Spain for a cheap holiday because the cost seem ridiculous that's when they'll start to change their minds. Seeing stuff about people who they don't know losing their jobs won't sway anyone.


People that still support this will never admit they were wrong.

In years to come they will either continue to say it would have been great but the EU/Remainers ruined it or they will just pretend they never supported it.

Re: Brexit Thread 3

Posted: Tue Aug 13, 2019 12:36 pm
by Squinty
You strawberry floaters ruined my magnificent Brexit, because you just didn't believe enough. Filthy remoaners. It's not our faultttttt

Re: Brexit Thread 3

Posted: Tue Aug 13, 2019 12:42 pm
by Godzilla
When it goes tits up then rather than accept responsibility they will focus on a group who are easy to blame. So it'll be the economic migrants, second generation migrants, non English speaking or anyone who can't fight back.

I can easily see a massive focus on crime and the promise of a vote on bringing back the death penalty. Within a few years national service will be back along with Britishness tests for anyone with a tan.

We'll start to see shaming of shops of which sell European goods. With headlines like "British farmers starve while Tesco sells German Pork"

Re: Brexit Thread 3

Posted: Tue Aug 13, 2019 10:19 pm
by Dual
Mini E wrote:



"Self-Suffishent"



Ffs


That must be a parody account

Re: Brexit Thread 3

Posted: Wed Aug 14, 2019 9:31 am
by Mini E
I hope so. After some investigation, I think it might be. Some small respite in a sea of gooseberry fool.

Re: Brexit Thread 3

Posted: Wed Aug 14, 2019 4:21 pm
by Squinty
Quitters once again getting angry about the way our Parliamentary democracy works. Bless Bercow.

Re: Brexit Thread 3

Posted: Wed Aug 14, 2019 7:37 pm
by KK
Labour MPs opposed to a second referendum are considering a “radical and dramatic intervention” to make clear to Jeremy Corbyn and Boris Johnson they are prepared to vote for a Brexit deal, with one estimating that dozens of colleagues are now ready to back the withdrawal agreement.

Stephen Kinnock, the Labour MP who coordinates around 30 MPs in a group called Respect the Result, said he believed that passing the withdrawal agreement was the most certain way of stopping the UK crashing out without a deal.

Kinnock, who had been urging Corbyn to do a deal with Theresa May in cross-party talks, said there was an increasing feeling among many of his colleagues opposed to a second referendum that passing the withdrawal agreement bill was the best option

Despite Johnson’s refusal to negotiate with the EU unless it drops the backstop, Kinnock said there will come a time in the autumn when a compromise deal can be done based on the withdrawal agreement bill that emerged out of cross-party talks.

“We’ve got to make a radical and dramatic intervention,” he said. “If enough of us do then it’s up to Boris Johnson to see where he goes from there. It means a large number of us going to see Jeremy and trying as hard as we possibly can telling him to make that big, bold offer, to face down the second referendum campaign and say there’s no time for that. We’ve got to get this deal over the line.

“And by the way, if it is the second referendum that you want then the only way you’re going to get it through a parliamentary route is having the opportunity to debate and vote on it at committee stage.


“If that doesn’t work then it’s perhaps a joint statement, a public gesture that says here are the 50 Labour MPs that would vote for this. You need to get 260 of your guys to vote for it and we can get it over the line. Then it’s a question of whether he can deliver it. I think Boris Johnson could lose about 50 of the hardliners. But I think he could gain 50 on our side.”

Kinnock said he believed the time for a deal could potentially happen after MPs have tried to block no deal without cast-iron success.

“Once it’s clear there is no parliamentary or legislative route to preventing no deal then the [withdrawal agreement bill] is the only game in town,” he said.

A number of Labour MPs have suggested they could now be prepare to back a deal in some circumstances, particularly if faced with the possibility of no deal, including Sarah Champion, Gareth Snell and Melanie Onn. The Telegraph reported that John Mann, a Labour MP, was a “go-between” with the government and some of those potentially willing to vote for a withdrawal deal.

“I think Boris will present a deal to parliament, roll something in glitter and get themselves over the line and a number of my colleagues would vote for that deal at that point,” one MP said.

The rest: https://www.theguardian.com/politics/20 ... rexit-deal

Re: Brexit Thread 3

Posted: Wed Aug 14, 2019 7:43 pm
by more heat than light


Yes, 2% of Brexit Party voters would apparently vote Remain.

Re: Brexit Thread 3

Posted: Wed Aug 14, 2019 7:49 pm
by Moggy
2% of the Brexit Party :lol:

Re: Brexit Thread 3

Posted: Wed Aug 14, 2019 10:59 pm
by Tineash
Stephen Kinnock continues to be a massive twat.

Re: Brexit Thread 3

Posted: Wed Aug 14, 2019 11:02 pm
by captain red dog
So Corbyn has said he would lead a caretaker government, delay Brexit and call a GE. Apparently Jo Swinson said its a no go for her. Fortunately the SNP seem to be warm to the idea.

Its literally as good a plan as anyone could have at this point to stop a no deal hard Brexit. The Lib Dems should get behind the idea. They would likely gain a host of seats in a GE and a second referendum would be almost inevitable if the SNP, Labour and the Lib Dems could form a majority, at least on that particular issue.