Moggy wrote:The Leaver from the other forum I view is at it again. A argument developed over the Irish border, and the Leaver accused the Remainer of not really caring about Ireland, it was just a way to stop Brexit. The Remainer said that they had Irish family and did care and pointed out that the DUP would never allow the border to be moved to the Irish sea. The leaver replied:
The backstop isn't the issue, the issue is there is no mechanism to leave the backstop. We could be stuck in the back stop forever. The DUP need to recognise the unique circumstances that exist on the Island of Ireland and due to them circumstances N.Ireland will need to have different arrangements to the rest of the UK, arrangements are already different. I apologise if you do have Irish family etc. My comment, whilst aimed at you, was just s general comment about remainers who are trying to use the island of Ireland as a way to stop Brexit. I have upwards of 100 friends who live in the north of the south, they are not concerned about Brexit at all. The only issues being they fear they would have to get passports to travel to England and acquire permits to drive here.
Over 100 Irish friends!! But you wouldn’t know them, they all go to a different school….
What has made me most angry about recent events is that it has exposed the blatant lie we were told for so long that we could not have decent hospitals, send our kids to decent schools and build decent housing because "there's no magic money tree". This whole Brexit bullshit has highlighted that there absolutely is a 'magic money tree' if it is convenient to the purpose of the establishment. In order to get Brexit done the government can summon billions out from behind the sofa somehow, yet apparently they could not find it to fix any of our pressing social problems beforehand. It basically highlights that if the government of the day actually wants to do something it can usually find the means. For the last ten years we have been subjected to an ideological project to shrink the state and cut taxes for the purpose of transferring a higher percentage of national wealth to the already wealthy. Likewise, housebuilding has been left to the private sector and not really promoted because for those at the top there is no 'housing crisis' - there are just massive profits from inflated house prices and to them that's no a problem, it's just a nice source of unearned income. If a government actually wanted to fix the problem they could, they just didn't want to. More people need to call them out on this.
Meep wrote:What has made me most angry about recent events is that it has exposed the blatant lie we were told for so long that we could not have decent hospitals, send our kids to decent schools and build decent housing because "there's no magic money tree". This whole Brexit bullshit has highlighted that there absolutely is a 'magic money tree' if it is convenient to the purpose of the establishment. In order to get Brexit done the government can summon billions out from behind the sofa somehow, yet apparently they could not find it to fix any of our pressing social problems beforehand. It basically highlights that if the government of the day actually wants to do something it can usually find the means. For the last ten years we have been subjected to an ideological project to shrink the state and cut taxes for the purpose of transferring a higher percentage of national wealth to the already wealthy. Likewise, housebuilding has been left to the private sector and not really promoted because for those at the top there is no 'housing crisis' - there are just massive profits from inflated house prices and to them that's no a problem, it's just a nice source of unearned income. If a government actually wanted to fix the problem they could, they just didn't want to. More people need to call them out on this.
This is the thing that is annoying me most of all. All this money was clearly there, yet they did absolutely nothing.