The Coronavirus Thread - Lockdown for at least 3 more weeks

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by Tomous » Tue Apr 21, 2020 12:55 pm

Branson on struggling airlines:

The billionaire publicly denounced a possible rescue of BA a decade ago, saying: 'We should wait for its demise.'

He said the idea of an intervention by Ministers was a 'bad idea' and that 'loss-making and inefficient airlines should be allowed to go the wall,' adding: 'The Government should not intervene to stop companies going bust.'


https://www.thisismoney.co.uk/money/new ... -bust.html

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PostRe: The Coronavirus Thread - Lockdown for at least 3 more weeks
by Grumpy David » Tue Apr 21, 2020 1:01 pm

Lex-Man wrote:
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Godzilla wrote:73% Of Inmates At An Ohio Prison Test Positive For Coronavirus

https://www.npr.org/sections/coronaviru ... 7458253926


Unlike quarantined cruise ships which disproportionately represents the elderly, prisons will almost certainly disproportionately represent adults under the age of 50.

So far, no deaths in that prison, will make an interesting case study for herd immunity if the percentage who die or get seriously ill turns out lower than expected.


About a fifth of us prisoners are over 50. I have a feeling that due to poor hygiene conditions in prison Covid-19 will be more lethal.


https://www.bop.gov/about/statistics/statistics_inmate_age.jsp

Less than 3% are over the age of 65 which is what is considered a high risk group.

However the hygiene issue is legitimate. Many prisons consider soap a luxury item that has to be purchased so even basic handwashing is limited plus the overcrowding issue too won't help.

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PostRe: The Coronavirus Thread - Lockdown for at least 3 more weeks
by Drumstick » Tue Apr 21, 2020 1:04 pm

This Branson issue is simple to my mind.

Virgin Atlantic's parent company is Virgin Group Holdings Ltd and is based in the BVIs. As the parent company pays no tax to the state, there is no way in hell the subsidiary should be eligible for a handout from the state. It utterly baffling that anybody could think otherwise.

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PostRe: The Coronavirus Thread - Lockdown for at least 3 more weeks
by Moggy » Tue Apr 21, 2020 1:31 pm

Lex-Man wrote:
Grumpy David wrote:
Godzilla wrote:73% Of Inmates At An Ohio Prison Test Positive For Coronavirus

https://www.npr.org/sections/coronaviru ... 7458253926


Unlike quarantined cruise ships which disproportionately represents the elderly, prisons will almost certainly disproportionately represent adults under the age of 50.

So far, no deaths in that prison, will make an interesting case study for herd immunity if the percentage who die or get seriously ill turns out lower than expected.


About a fifth of us prisoners are over 50. I have a feeling that due to poor hygiene conditions in prison Covid-19 will be more lethal.


Speak for yourself, I’m under 50 and (so far) I’m free.

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by Lex-Man » Tue Apr 21, 2020 1:38 pm

Moggy wrote:
Lex-Man wrote:
Grumpy David wrote:
Godzilla wrote:73% Of Inmates At An Ohio Prison Test Positive For Coronavirus

https://www.npr.org/sections/coronaviru ... 7458253926


Unlike quarantined cruise ships which disproportionately represents the elderly, prisons will almost certainly disproportionately represent adults under the age of 50.

So far, no deaths in that prison, will make an interesting case study for herd immunity if the percentage who die or get seriously ill turns out lower than expected.


About a fifth of us prisoners are over 50. I have a feeling that due to poor hygiene conditions in prison Covid-19 will be more lethal.


Speak for yourself, I’m under 50 and (so far) I’m free.


Gave away a little too much about my self there. ;)

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PostRe: The Coronavirus Thread - Lockdown for at least 3 more weeks
by KK » Tue Apr 21, 2020 1:44 pm

Message from Amazon UK sent out today:

Amazon UK wrote:Dear valued customer,

Following the announcement of the extended lockdown, we’re all coming to realise that life will be quite different for a while. I wanted to send our heartfelt thanks to the many key workers who are tirelessly supporting the communities around us, and our warmest thoughts to all of you at this difficult time.

Thousands of our co-workers in fulfilment centres, sort centres and delivery stations across the country are working to fulfil your orders. We’ve been humbled by the kind words received in recent weeks in appreciation of their hard work, and wanted to say a huge thank you for your patience and support during this challenging period.

We want to do everything we can to support our employees and the customers and communities we serve throughout this crisis, so I thought I’d share some detail of what we’re doing.

For customers and their families
As one of the many companies playing an essential role at this time, we’re making critical updates to our logistics, transportation, supply chain, purchasing and other processes to ensure you can shop at Amazon.co.uk, have orders delivered to your door, and stay safe at home. Customers will also have more time to return items and we’re also providing contactless delivery. Some of our deliveries may be taking longer than usual and some of your favourite items might not always be available. We hope you’ll bear with us as we do our best to continue to deliver to you during these challenging times.

With more time spent at home, we thought it would be helpful to provide access to free content. You can find free eBooks and audiobooks, Amazon Future Engineer virtual coding lessons, family TV shows, fitness content, plus a selection of Amazon Music playlists and stations. You can also entertain your family for a spell. Just say "Alexa, read Harry Potter Book One' and listen to Harry Potter at home, free from Audible for a limited time.

For our colleagues
Nothing is more important to us than the wellbeing of our employees. With guidance from the World Health Organization (WHO), we’ve made over 150 process changes focused on the health and safety of our teams. We’ve increased the frequency and intensity of cleaning at our sites, adjusted our practices so that our employees can observe social distancing measures, and we are providing temperature checks, as well as masks and gloves.

In recognition of their incredible contribution, we’ve increased the pay for employees in our fulfilment centres and delivery roles, adding a further £2 per hour on top of our current starting rate of £10.50 for the London area, and £9.50 for the rest of the UK. In addition, 5,000 new full and part-time positions and delivery jobs have opened across the UK to provide job opportunities for people impacted by the pandemic.

For communities, the NHS and other health organisations
As part of a coalition of companies, universities, and research institutions, we are working with the Government to boost testing capacity for COVID-19. Along with other partners, the Amazon logistics network is delivering test kits to diagnostic sites set up around the UK and to NHS staff and others on the front lines of this crisis.

To support those in the UK who are most affected by the COVID-19 crisis, we have committed £3.2 million, including a donation to the British Red Cross and a fund to support local organisations in communities where our employees live and work.

Every one of you is doing your part to save lives - whether that’s by staying home to protect your families, friends and neighbours, or by leaving home to keep the country going as a key worker. We thank you for this, and wish you and your families the very best at this difficult time.

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PostRe: The Coronavirus Thread - Lockdown for at least 3 more weeks
by Vermilion » Tue Apr 21, 2020 1:54 pm

Lex-Man wrote:About a fifth of us prisoners are over 50.


What did you do?

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by Lex-Man » Tue Apr 21, 2020 2:15 pm

Vermilion wrote:
Lex-Man wrote:About a fifth of us prisoners are over 50.


What did you do?


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by Victor Mildew » Tue Apr 21, 2020 2:16 pm

Lex-Man wrote:
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Lex-Man wrote:About a fifth of us prisoners are over 50.


What did you do?


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by 7256930752 » Tue Apr 21, 2020 2:22 pm

Tomous wrote:Branson on struggling airlines:

The billionaire publicly denounced a possible rescue of BA a decade ago, saying: 'We should wait for its demise.'

He said the idea of an intervention by Ministers was a 'bad idea' and that 'loss-making and inefficient airlines should be allowed to go the wall,' adding: 'The Government should not intervene to stop companies going bust.'


https://www.thisismoney.co.uk/money/new ... -bust.html

I think it's very different to talk about performance during usual operating conditions and now.

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PostRe: The Coronavirus Thread - Lockdown for at least 3 more weeks
by Knoyleo » Tue Apr 21, 2020 2:26 pm

Grumpy David wrote:
Godzilla wrote:73% Of Inmates At An Ohio Prison Test Positive For Coronavirus

https://www.npr.org/sections/coronaviru ... 7458253926


Unlike quarantined cruise ships which disproportionately represents the elderly, prisons will almost certainly disproportionately represent adults under the age of 50.

So far, no deaths in that prison, will make an interesting case study for herd immunity if the percentage who die or get seriously ill turns out lower than expected.

Do you not find it troubling that your first response to reading about a contagious disease spreading amongst an incarcerated population is that it will be good for medical studies?

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by Grumpy David » Tue Apr 21, 2020 2:42 pm

Knoyleo wrote:
Grumpy David wrote:
Godzilla wrote:73% Of Inmates At An Ohio Prison Test Positive For Coronavirus

https://www.npr.org/sections/coronaviru ... 7458253926


Unlike quarantined cruise ships which disproportionately represents the elderly, prisons will almost certainly disproportionately represent adults under the age of 50.

So far, no deaths in that prison, will make an interesting case study for herd immunity if the percentage who die or get seriously ill turns out lower than expected.

Do you not find it troubling that your first response to reading about a contagious disease spreading amongst an incarcerated population is that it will be good for medical studies?


I actually saw that comment on Reddit and thought it was an interesting silver lining on an otherwise dark cloud that I hadn't considered when first learning of the story. Decided to share it here.

I didn't see much value to adding to my post here as it wouldn't encourage discussion to say what a tragic situation it is. What does that achieve? Maybe some quotes saying "Yeah I agree"? Discussions are far more interesting when different views and ideas are shared.

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by Oblomov Boblomov » Tue Apr 21, 2020 3:22 pm

Grumpy David wrote:
Knoyleo wrote:
Grumpy David wrote:
Godzilla wrote:73% Of Inmates At An Ohio Prison Test Positive For Coronavirus

https://www.npr.org/sections/coronaviru ... 7458253926


Unlike quarantined cruise ships which disproportionately represents the elderly, prisons will almost certainly disproportionately represent adults under the age of 50.

So far, no deaths in that prison, will make an interesting case study for herd immunity if the percentage who die or get seriously ill turns out lower than expected.

Do you not find it troubling that your first response to reading about a contagious disease spreading amongst an incarcerated population is that it will be good for medical studies?


I actually saw that comment on Reddit and thought it was an interesting silver lining on an otherwise dark cloud that I hadn't considered when first learning of the story. Decided to share it here.

I didn't see much value to adding to my post here as it wouldn't encourage discussion to say what a tragic situation it is. What does that achieve? Maybe some quotes saying "Yeah I agree"? Discussions are far more interesting when different views and ideas are shared.

I agree to an extent. It can feel tokenistic, like how ministers are now basically forced to commit 85% of any statements/speeches to gushing reverence of the NHS, key workers, Captain Tom etc... otherwise they face the wrath of the Karen Twitter Brigade.

In defence of Knoy, I think your reputation probably precedes you a bit there, Grumps, as you are known for being a bit of a bell when it comes to things like this. ;)

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by Ecno » Tue Apr 21, 2020 3:33 pm

Fucktard neighbours had a kids birthday party yesterday with a bunch of people congregating on the landing, who I then had to squeeze pass.

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by Grumpy David » Tue Apr 21, 2020 3:39 pm

Oblomov Boblomov wrote:I agree to an extent. It can feel tokenistic, like how ministers are now basically forced to commit 85% of any statements/speeches to gushing reverence of the NHS, key workers, Captain Tom etc... otherwise they face the wrath of the Karen Twitter Brigade.

In defence of Knoy, I think your reputation probably precedes you a bit there, Grumps, as you are known for being a bit of a bell when it comes to things like this. ;)


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I suppose I could have gone with the Stalin quote: "The death of one man is a tragedy. The death of millions is just a statistic."

I thought Knoy was just trying for a cheap shot or gooseberry fool & run but I don't know the guy to know what his intentions were behind the post but it seemed like a fairly strange post to me.

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by Knoyleo » Tue Apr 21, 2020 4:04 pm

Grumpy David wrote:
Oblomov Boblomov wrote:I agree to an extent. It can feel tokenistic, like how ministers are now basically forced to commit 85% of any statements/speeches to gushing reverence of the NHS, key workers, Captain Tom etc... otherwise they face the wrath of the Karen Twitter Brigade.

In defence of Knoy, I think your reputation probably precedes you a bit there, Grumps, as you are known for being a bit of a bell when it comes to things like this. ;)


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I suppose I could have gone with the Stalin quote: "The death of one man is a tragedy. The death of millions is just a statistic."

I thought Knoy was just trying for a cheap shot or gooseberry fool & run but I don't know the guy to know what his intentions were behind the post but it seemed like a fairly strange post to me.

There's a bit of this. Based on your posts in the past, I fully don't expect anything I post as a counter argument to convince you to think differently, but I can still swing by to tell you I think your views suck. I also imagine you posting that in a fairly gleeful manner, with a subtext of "if they didn't want to become unconsenting medical experiments, they shouldn't have done crimes," but again this is based on the Milton Friedman fangoblin I imagine you to be in my head.

It's also because comments like that fall under a broader umbrella of commentary that always riles me up. It's like when political commentators say something like "whatever your beliefs, there's no denying these are interesting times," which typically means life is about to get a whole load worse for a lot of people, but at least political correspondents will get a lot to stand in front of a camera and look serious about.

While I appreciate the need for that kind of study on the effects of a viral outbreak in the prison system, unless you're someone in a position to be gathering that data and working on it, there's no tangible reason to turn around and highlight how that's the interesting talking point in all this, when the immediate issue is human beings already confined to shitty conditions, now being infected in huge numbers by a spreading pandemic, and no action being taken to protect them or prevent that spread.

I probably just shouldn't post in this thread. I've spent far too much time lately reading the news and twitter and generally being stuck inside with nothing to do as I was on paid leave from work all last week because we're being told to use x amount of annual leave, so my mood's in the gutter, and I'm just getting irate at everything.

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PostRe: The Coronavirus Thread - Lockdown for at least 3 more weeks
by gaminglegend » Tue Apr 21, 2020 4:04 pm

Drumstick wrote:This Branson issue is simple to my mind.

Virgin Atlantic's parent company is Virgin Group Holdings Ltd and is based in the BVIs. As the parent company pays no tax to the state, there is no way in hell the subsidiary should be eligible for a handout from the state. It utterly baffling that anybody could think otherwise.


He’s not asking for a hand out though I don’t think. It’s the loan from the government which is then at a much better rate than they can get commercially.

Do subsidiaries not pay tax in some form? That seems wrong.

It appears to me the problem we should be having is the government to refine & changes these laws to stop the tax dodging & such, more than the companies for playing the game.

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by Jenuall » Tue Apr 21, 2020 4:14 pm

The Tuesday bounce returns for another week:

twitter.com/DHSCgovuk/status/1252615087304687618



Tomorrow's numbers will be interesting. It does at least feel like we might be stabilising finally.

Individual testing rates down again though and still no sign of them consolidating figures to include deaths outside of hospitals.


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