Coronavirus & stuff

Vermilion wrote:

Return_of_the_STAR wrote:I’ve still never met anyone who hates Jews. Who and where are these people?

Momentum?

Possibly.

Mafro wrote:

Squinty wrote:What is the distance in Owls?

2820

bravo

So at a time when he was likely carrying the infection or displaying symptoms, he fled to his parents house with his kids because him and his wife couldn't look after them by themselves.

What an absolutely gutless waste of space.

The Watching Artist wrote:

Mafro wrote:

Squinty wrote:What is the distance in Owls?

2820

bravo

Excellent

This is much worse than what Catherine Calderwood did.

It's okay! They spent their time in a different building!

The twats.

Vermilion wrote:

Return_of_the_STAR wrote:I’ve still never met anyone who hates Jews. Who and where are these people?

Momentum?

It's pretty interesting that your response to "1 in 5 English people are hardcore racist conspiracy theorists" is "ha ha Labour though right?". Pretty, pretty interesting.

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Karl_ wrote:

Vermilion wrote:

Return_of_the_STAR wrote:I’ve still never met anyone who hates Jews. Who and where are these people?

Momentum?

It's pretty interesting that your response to "1 in 5 English people are hardcore racist conspiracy theorists" is "ha ha Labour though right?". Pretty, pretty interesting.

He said Momentum, yea they are Labour members but are not represtative if Labour as a while

Saying they do is like saying the ERG are representative is all Conservative views.

Errkal wrote:

Karl_ wrote:It's pretty interesting that your response to "1 in 5 English people are hardcore racist conspiracy theorists" is "ha ha Labour though right?". Pretty, pretty interesting.

He said Momentum, yea they are Labour members but are not represtative if Labour as a while

Saying they do is like saying the ERG are representative is all Conservative views.

Yeah cool. Any thoughts on the article?

Cummings hasn’t trended on Twitter since this story broke. Kuenssberg, Ferguson, Durham, Dominic by itself all trended but no Cummings, he doesn't even come up when you start typing it out in the search bar.



Why are Twitter protecting him?

Karl_ wrote:

Errkal wrote:

Karl_ wrote:It's pretty interesting that your response to "1 in 5 English people are hardcore racist conspiracy theorists" is "ha ha Labour though right?". Pretty, pretty interesting.

He said Momentum, yea they are Labour members but are not represtative if Labour as a while

Saying they do is like saying the ERG are representative is all Conservative views.

Yeah cool. Any thoughts on the article?

Didn’t read it, didn’t see a link to it. I was making the point that you have taken someone mentioning Momentum and swapping that to mean they were saying Labour which is like equating what the ERG say to be what all conservatives say.

People bitch and spacey all the time about misrepresentation or whatever, so don’t do it too.

Errkal wrote:Didn’t read it, didn’t see a link to it. I was making the point that you have taken someone mentioning Momentum and swapping that to mean they were saying Labour which is like equating what the ERG say to be what all conservatives say.

People bitch and spacey all the time about misrepresentation or whatever, so don’t do it too.

The article was a survey about coronavirus, which revealed 20% of English people think it is part of a Jewish and/or Muslim plot to undermine the country.

I think when there's a post about the prevalence of far-right conspiracy theories and someone's instinct is to deflect, that reveals something about what their priorities are. Vermilion saw an article about the prevalence of far-right conspiracies and his priority was to put the attention on the left. "Don't talk about Nazis," the subtext says, "talk about some people I don't like instead".

I know you really hate Momentum, but in the context of this situation you've fallen for the rhetorical trick - you're now talking about being mad at a left group you dislike, rather than at the far-right conspiracy theorists who comprise 1 in 5 of the English population - and you've got to stop that, because letting the Tories get away with that will hurt your "soft-left" movement as much as it hurts other bits of Labour and the left in general.

If you can't move past this then it might start to seem like you care more about ranting about Momentum than you do about actually combatting the Tories (particularly given your bit of Labour is now in charge again).

Karl_ wrote:

Errkal wrote:Didn’t read it, didn’t see a link to it. I was making the point that you have taken someone mentioning Momentum and swapping that to mean they were saying Labour which is like equating what the ERG say to be what all conservatives say.

People bitch and spacey all the time about misrepresentation or whatever, so don’t do it too.

The article was a survey about coronavirus, which revealed 20% of English people think it is part of a Jewish and/or Muslim plot to undermine the country.

I think when there's a post about the prevalence of far-right conspiracy theories and someone's instinct is to deflect, that reveals something about what their priorities are. Vermilion saw an article about the prevalence of far-right conspiracies and his priority was to put the attention on the left. "Don't talk about Nazis," the subtext says, "talk about some people I don't like instead".

I know you really hate Momentum, but in the context of this situation you've fallen for the rhetorical trick - you're now talking about being mad at a left group you dislike, rather than at the far-right conspiracy theorists who comprise 1 in 5 of the English population - and you've got to stop that, because letting the Tories get away with that will hurt your "soft-left" movement as much as it hurts other bits of Labour and the left in general.

If you can't move past this then it might start to seem like you care more about ranting about Momentum than you do about actually combatting the Tories, particularly given it's now your bit of Labour in charge again.

I mostly agree with you Karl, it's also interesting (I'm not pointing fingers at anybody from here!) that the conversation is "20% of people blame the Jews", when the article says 20% blame Jews and/or Muslims. The modern far right is far more likely to be openly Islamophobic than antisemitic and so it's interesting that the narrative is shifted away from that.

I think you're wrong to suggest 20% are far right conspiracy theorists though. The far left are just as capable of their own ridiculous conspiracy theories and (thanks to Israel/Palestine) antisemitism. That doesn't mean Labour/Momentum make up anywhere close to the majority of that 20%, I agree most will be far right.

Karl, i think you need to pause for a moment, take your hand out of your trousers, and relax.

My post wasn't some great deflection conspiracy, and there was no need for you to get your knickers in a twist over it.

Vermilion wrote:Karl, i think you need to pause for a moment, take your hand out of your trousers, and relax.

My post wasn't some great deflection conspiracy, and there was no need for you to get your knickers in a twist over it.

Cool great, any thoughts about 20% of English people believing extreme racist conspiracy theories? Now we've all seen your wacky joke it would be great to get your real opinion on it.

Why are people so eager to believe in conspiracy theories? Why does this seem to be getting worse? Is there a psychological explanation?

I have a burning hatred for conspiracy theorists, and at the moment it feels like that's starting to mean I have a burning hatred for half of humanity!

Oblomov Boblomov wrote:Why are people so eager to believe in conspiracy theories? Why does this seem to be getting worse? Is there a psychological explanation?

I have a burning hatred for conspiracy theorists, and at the moment it feels like that's starting to mean I have a burning hatred for half of humanity!

Sounds like Oblo is part of the pizzagate illuminati and is just trying to throw us off the real truth.

I used to like conspiracy theories when they were just crazy fringe groups. Conspiracy theories lost their charm when they became mainstream. And now I sound like a conspiracy theory hipster.

Karl_ wrote:

Errkal wrote:Didn’t read it, didn’t see a link to it. I was making the point that you have taken someone mentioning Momentum and swapping that to mean they were saying Labour which is like equating what the ERG say to be what all conservatives say.

People bitch and spacey all the time about misrepresentation or whatever, so don’t do it too.

The article was a survey about coronavirus, which revealed 20% of English people think it is part of a Jewish and/or Muslim plot to undermine the country.

I think when there's a post about the prevalence of far-right conspiracy theories and someone's instinct is to deflect, that reveals something about what their priorities are. Vermilion saw an article about the prevalence of far-right conspiracies and his priority was to put the attention on the left. "Don't talk about Nazis," the subtext says, "talk about some people I don't like instead".

I know you really hate Momentum, but in the context of this situation you've fallen for the rhetorical trick - you're now talking about being mad at a left group you dislike, rather than at the far-right conspiracy theorists who comprise 1 in 5 of the English population - and you've got to stop that, because letting the Tories get away with that will hurt your "soft-left" movement as much as it hurts other bits of Labour and the left in general.

If you can't move past this then it might start to seem like you care more about ranting about Momentum than you do about actually combatting the Tories (particularly given your bit of Labour is now in charge again).

No I’m not, I’m saying you made the swap of “Momentum” for “Labour” which meant you were accusing someone of suggesting that what Momentum think is what Labour think.

As I’ve said I didn’t read the article, I’m not going to, and I’m not referencing it. I’m saying you yourself just you, are twisting what someone said to suggest they are tarnishing all of Labour with the momentum brush.

Go at them for saying momentum are banana splits if you want but say that, don’t swap “Momentum” for “Labour” they are not one and the same, Momentum are a subset like the ERG are a subset and should be treated as such.

To summarise, my issue with your word swapping, naff all to do with the argument. Hope this clears it up and you can go “sorry mate I didn’t realise” and next time not conflate someone’s reference to a group of mental with a larger group to mean they a referring the whole group.