Coronavirus & stuff

PostRe: Coronavirus & stuff by **Imrahil** » Tue Jun 15, 2021 3:28 pm

Oh yeah, I know that's the official line. But I thought the strong rumour was otherwise.

PostRe: Coronavirus & stuff by **coldspice** » Tue Jun 15, 2021 3:57 pm

Karl_ wrote:Oh, I think I was thinking of this, which isn't quite what I said but is regardless very funny.

twitter.com/anitathetweeter/status/1388442800576995332

Of course he called one of his kids Winston

PostRe: Coronavirus & stuff by **rinks** » Tue Jun 15, 2021 6:23 pm

Actually named after Delbert Wilkins’s sidekick.

PostRe: Coronavirus & stuff by **<]:^D** » Tue Jun 15, 2021 10:30 pm

Moggy wrote:

twitter.com/MichaelDapaah/status/1404511227833954305

this is brilliant

PostRe: Coronavirus & stuff by **Grumpy David** » Tue Jun 15, 2021 11:17 pm

The turnaround from fringe to mainstream of the Wuhan Virus Lab Leak has been remarkably fast. Even a few weeks ago it's hard to imagine seeing this on TV:

Corazon de Leon · PostRe: Coronavirus & stuff by **Corazon de Leon** » Tue Jun 15, 2021 11:36 pm

I'd expect better from Jon Stewart, that is downright irresponsible. :dread:

I actually feel for Colbert desperately trying and failing to steer the chat away from that topic.

PostRe: Coronavirus & stuff by **Skarjo** » Wed Jun 16, 2021 1:13 am

Ooof, that's not comfortable watching.

PostRe: Coronavirus & stuff by **That** » Wed Jun 16, 2021 1:56 am

We're seeing a real hyping up of this hypothesis and I can only see it as part of a campaign of nationalistic anti-China propaganda. I think it's clear I'm not in the Chinese government's fan club, but it isn't right to put the blame on a particular group of researchers without any evidence. The best available evidence right now is that the Wuhan lab were working with viruses that were similar, but genetically distinct to, Covid-19. This means there's no evidence to suggest they had any Covid-19 samples before the initial outbreak. We have a very similar illness in SARS1 and a good theory about how it came to humans via animals, and the most likely explanation is that SARS2 arose a similar way.

I am surprised it’s taken over a year for this theory to gather so much steam though.

N.b. I’m not agreeing with the theory just surprised.

PostRe: Coronavirus & stuff by **Neo Cortex** » Wed Jun 16, 2021 5:55 am

What the strawberry float happened to Jon Stewart? The guy leaves mainstream TV for a couple years and goes full on QAnon?

PostRe: Coronavirus & stuff by **Squinty** » Wed Jun 16, 2021 8:01 am

I don't expect them to change tack if it gets confirmed it wasn't a lab leak. I'm happy enough for it to be investigated. I severely doubt this is anything other than the normal way things like this develop.

Corazon de Leon · PostRe: Coronavirus & stuff by **Corazon de Leon** » Wed Jun 16, 2021 9:21 am

Yeah. The theory should absolutely be investigated, of course it should, and if there *are* any links to the Wuhan lab then the appropriate sanctions should follow. However, my understanding is that virologists and people in the know about these things still think that it's *extremely unlikely* that Coronavirus developed artificially. People like Jon Stewart expounding on that theory publicly are whipping up public furor unnecessarily at this point, and I find that reprehensible.

PostRe: Coronavirus & stuff by **Victor Mildew** » Wed Jun 16, 2021 9:23 am

Corazon de Leon wrote:Yeah. The theory should absolutely be investigated, of course it should, and if there *are* any links to the Wuhan lab then the appropriate sanctions should follow. However, my understanding is that virologists and people in the know about these things still think that it's *extremely unlikely* that Coronavirus developed artificially. People like Jon Stewart expounding on that theory publicly are whipping up public furor unnecessarily at this point, and I find that reprehensible.

Oh my god they got to you too :dread:

Corazon de Leon · PostRe: Coronavirus & stuff by **Corazon de Leon** » Wed Jun 16, 2021 9:29 am

Victor Mildew wrote:
Corazon de Leon wrote:Yeah. The theory should absolutely be investigated, of course it should, and if there *are* any links to the Wuhan lab then the appropriate sanctions should follow. However, my understanding is that virologists and people in the know about these things still think that it's *extremely unlikely* that Coronavirus developed artificially. People like Jon Stewart expounding on that theory publicly are whipping up public furor unnecessarily at this point, and I find that reprehensible.

Oh my god they got to you too

PostRe: Coronavirus & stuff by **That** » Wed Jun 16, 2021 9:53 am

It already has been investigated by the WHO for what it's worth.

No matter what, it'll always be possible to say "the study wasn't thorough enough" or "they didn't see the whole picture". It's not always in good faith. The best investigation we're likely to ever get ruled out any involvement from the Wuhan lab.

Vague "American intelligence" isn't evidence and is actually a red flag that this is a pure propaganda narrative being pushed by western governments.

PostRe: Coronavirus & stuff by **Lagamorph** » Wed Jun 16, 2021 11:23 am

Anything that came out of American Intelligence under Donald Trump should be considered "very suspect" at best.

PostRe: Coronavirus & stuff by **Rex Kramer** » Wed Jun 16, 2021 11:58 am

twitter.com/Dominic2306/status/1405112267729952770

Possibly the most insight Johnson has shown in the last 18 months.

PostRe: Coronavirus & stuff by **Memento Mori** » Wed Jun 16, 2021 12:18 pm

Karl_ wrote:It already has been investigated by the WHO for what it's worth.

No matter what, it'll always be possible to say "the study wasn't thorough enough" or "they didn't see the whole picture". It's not always in good faith. The best investigation we're likely to ever get ruled out any involvement from the Wuhan lab.

Vague "American intelligence" isn't evidence and is actually a red flag that this is a pure propaganda narrative being pushed by western governments.

Didn't WHO themselves say they didn't investigate whether it came from a lab leak?

PostRe: Coronavirus & stuff by **Cuttooth** » Wed Jun 16, 2021 12:24 pm

I thought they said it was "very unlikely" (but I guess not ruled out) after they visited the lab in Wuhan earlier this year?

Is there more evidence that it was a lab leak beyond three scientists falling ill before the first officially recorded case?

PostRe: Coronavirus & stuff by **That** » Wed Jun 16, 2021 12:42 pm

"WHO report into COVID pandemic origins zeroes in on animal markets, not labs" wrote:Markets that sold animals — some dead, some alive — in December 2019 have emerged as a probable source of the coronavirus pandemic in a major investigation organized by the World Health Organization (WHO).

That investigation winnowed out alternative hypotheses on when and where the pandemic arose, concluding that the virus probably didn’t spread widely before December or escape from a laboratory. The investigation report, released today, also takes a deep look at the likely role of markets — including the Huanan market in Wuhan, to which many of the first known COVID-19 infections are linked.

The WHO's director wants to follow-up with a more thorough investigation:

After the report’s publication, the WHO director-general, Tedros Adhanom Ghebreyesus, who was not directly involved with the investigation, posted a statement saying that he looks forward to future studies of the coronavirus’s animal origins — but that he wasn’t content with the examination of a potential laboratory leak. “I do not believe that this assessment was extensive enough,” he wrote. “This requires further investigation, potentially with additional missions involving specialist experts, which I am ready to deploy.”

Which is fine, it's his right to believe that it's worth a follow-up study.

What isn't fine is implying that the lab's involvement is likely - or obvious or a leading theory - as it's not. There is simply no reason besides stoking up anti-China sentiment for politicians or media people to be talking about "lab leaks" right now.

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