Coronavirus & stuff

The idea is if you are wearing ppe you turn it off because of you get and infected it shouldn't matter as you are in PPE and so protected. The app assumes no protection so would mean isolation alerts for no reason.

Odds are the reason companies say to turn it off that using PPE is due to misunderstandings the guidance.

It could be malicious but that seems a little tin hat all companies are evil paranoid for my liking.

Errkal wrote:
It could be malicious but that seems a little tin hat all companies are evil paranoid for my liking.

The list of evil companies is rather long...

twitter.com/RichardA/status/1319911942342008832

Thank god we’re not in an ongoing pandemic where access to PPE will be a vital factor in fighting it!

That's not a growth wrote:The only reason I can see them wanting it to be turned off is so that if a member of staff tests positive and reports it to the app then a large amount of their workforce won't be told to isolate - which is backed up by them saying to ignore such advise.

Basically they're putting productivity ahead of well-being.

Nail on the head.

Could cause a cash flow issue but care homes can claim the VAT back on PPE surely?

sawyerpip wrote:Could cause a cash flow issue but care homes can claim the VAT back on PPE surely?

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Karl_ wrote:

sawyerpip wrote:Could cause a cash flow issue but care homes can claim the VAT back on PPE surely?

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Ah, I completely forgot their supplies would be exempt. That's just really gooseberry fool then isn't it.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/oct/24/london-braces-for-fourth-protest-against-covid-19-restrictions

more anti lockdown protests happening, plus QANON stuff.

Just the former Pro Brexit marchers moving onto something else.

Cyburn2 wrote:https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/oct/24/london-braces-for-fourth-protest-against-covid-19-restrictions

more anti lockdown protests happening, plus QANON stuff.

Oh yeah it's the same in Warsaw, just posted about that in TCRT. Good stuff. Was very depressed to see the amount of people, and the amount of normal looking men and women participating.

Although the percentage of inbred looking skinheads was higher than the general populace.

strawberry float me, the Welsh government have made a right hash of their firebreak. Vaughan Gething seems to have access to some kind of amazing track and trace as he seems to think there is evidence of transmission in electrical aisles, despite the line from the government yesterday that it was to be fair to small businesses! They created their own headache by deeming what is essential and what isn't. It's kind of baffling to see where they have drawn the line. I'm surprised the big retailers went for it! It is just such an unnecessary mistake for them to have made.

captain red dog wrote:strawberry float me, the Welsh government have made a right hash of their firebreak. Vaughan Gething seems to have access to some kind of amazing track and trace as he seems to think there is evidence of transmission in electrical aisles, despite the line from the government yesterday that it was to be fair to small businesses! They created their own headache by deeming what is essential and what isn't. It's kind of baffling to see where they have drawn the line. I'm surprised the big retailers went for it! It is just such an unnecessary mistake for them to have made.

It literally benefits Amazon and no one else by the arbitrary nature of what counts as a non essential good. I'm no fan of the big supermarkets dominating the High Street but even worse is Amazon being the sole source of "Non essential" goods.

It seems to cause maximum economic damage with minimal public health benefits.

I don't know of any outbreaks linked to shopping anyway.

It's surely that schools and universities reopening have caused this latest spike, and not the other things that went on for months with seemingly no bother.

Not saying that's the wrong thing either, particularly with keeping schools open. The benefits outweigh the costs, imo there anyway.

Though I feel desperately sorry for uni students. I think perhaps there everyone should have had a mandatory gap year, because they might have had a more normal experience next year, instead of paying a fortune, being locked up and then being blamed for doing what they were told was safe.

The "essential" shopping situation has been poorly managed but the intention is to convey the message that you shouldn't be going out because you fancy buying a new jumper or the latest Little Mix album, people should be avoiding going out as much as humanly possible - and that is the right thing to be encouraging

Abacus wrote:I don't know of any outbreaks linked to shopping anyway.

It's surely that schools and universities reopening have caused this latest spike, and not the other things that went on for months with seemingly no bother.

Not saying that's the wrong thing either, particularly with keeping schools open. The benefits outweigh the costs, imo there anyway.

Though I feel desperately sorry for uni students. I think perhaps there everyone should have had a mandatory gap year, because they might have had a more normal experience next year, instead of paying a fortune, being locked up and then being blamed for doing what they were told was safe.

I see where you're coming from, but there's still not really any guarantee things will be back to normal next September, although they probably will be significantly more normal (even if it's simply because we're all just more used to any restrictions in place). I also doubt the universities could deal with two freshers intakes at once (not just class sizes, but marking, accommodation, catering, sport and social provision and more). Essentially do you try to save 2021's cohort by giving the 2020 intake a bad first year, or do you almost certainly ruin both?

Abacus wrote:I don't know of any outbreaks linked to shopping anyway.

It's surely that schools and universities reopening have caused this latest spike, and not the other things that went on for months with seemingly no bother.

Not saying that's the wrong thing either, particularly with keeping schools open. The benefits outweigh the costs, imo there anyway.

Though I feel desperately sorry for uni students. I think perhaps there everyone should have had a mandatory gap year, because they might have had a more normal experience next year, instead of paying a fortune, being locked up and then being blamed for doing what they were told was safe.

If you delay all the first years how do you accommodate them and next year's first years? It would be oversubscribed.

They should have pushed remote learning from home everywhere they could have.

Good points, and obviously I don't have the answers anyway.

What I was thinking was, keep necessary students like medics going back.

For the rest, offer a kind of national service, like working at Track & Trace or delivering stuff to shielding people that need them, on a basic wage.

It would be something for the CV anyway, and buy them in rather than have them as scapegoats.

I don't know about crunching two years together, and this might not all be done by September either, both true.

But I can think of worse plans, like encouraging people to go, trapping them all in halls together where they are more likely to catch an infectious disease, giving them a far shitier education (and remote learning is certainly worse) and then demonising them for it.

I think school is different, and has to carry on in as safe a way as it can.

Even though, that kind of mixing with whole families will be the main spreader, let's be honest.

Stopping people selling cutlery in Asda in Wales doesn't seem like it has much point to me.

Abacus wrote:Good points, and obviously I don't have the answers anyway.

What I was thinking was, keep necessary students like medics going back.

For the rest, offer a kind of national service, like working at Track & Trace or delivering stuff to shielding people that need them, on a basic wage.

It would be something for the CV anyway, and buy them in rather than have them as scapegoats.

I don't know about crunching two years together, and this might not all be done by September either, both true.

But I can think of worse plans, like encouraging people to go, trapping them all in halls together where they are more likely to catch an infectious disease, giving them a far shitier education (and remote learning is certainly worse) and then demonising them for it.

As far as I'm aware there is already a major sense of unfairness from arts students who are being charged the same nine grand for four contact hours per week and a list of books as medics who get thirty plus contact hours including practical sessions plus placements etc. Telling them to strawberry float off because they're not essential would not go down well . Private Eye also had a lot of stuff covering how lecturing unions weren't happy about the risk of lecturers losing the rights over any filmed lectures, and arts and humanities lecturers may be feeling quite at risk about that (all lecturers probably will be, but perhaps those ones moreso than ones in degrees where you need to be professionally registered to work and there's more money floating about in general).

It's also not true to call degrees unnecessary. The NHS has over a million staff but it doesn't have a million medicine degrees. I work in ophthalmology with a lot of people who have photography undergraduate degrees. That would probably be pretty high on most "pointless degree" lists, but that just shows how wrong those lists can be. My boss has a politics degree. My wife works in the NHS and has an English degree.

I'd also say that flooding track and trace with a load of disgruntled conscripts with no life experience wouldn't help improve the effectiveness of the service, but as we all know there are larger issues present there!