Coronavirus & stuff

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by Albert » Wed Jun 16, 2021 12:43 pm

Is there a lab there that deals with this type of thing?

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by Return_of_the_STAR » Wed Jun 16, 2021 12:51 pm

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by Cuttooth » Wed Jun 16, 2021 12:54 pm

Albear wrote:Is there a lab there that deals with this type of thing?

Yeah a lab that researches and stores bat originated coronaviruses.

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by Moggy » Wed Jun 16, 2021 12:59 pm

A lot of the Wuhan lab theories remind me of the Porton Down novichok theories.

It's certainly possible that the virus escaped from the lab, but there doesn't seem to be any actual evidence other than "yeah but there's a virology lab nearby!".

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by Zilnad » Wed Jun 16, 2021 12:59 pm

Well it happens all the time in movies so it's probably true.

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by Cuttooth » Wed Jun 16, 2021 1:04 pm

Moggy wrote:A lot of the Wuhan lab theories remind me of the Porton Down novichok theories.

It's certainly possible that the virus escaped from the lab, but there doesn't seem to be any actual evidence other than "yeah but there's a virology lab nearby!".

People also conflate a lab leak with the virus being in some way "man made" or unnatural when these are two completely different theories.

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by Albert » Wed Jun 16, 2021 1:05 pm

It's a pretty big coincidence no? Unless these labs are common place.

Not sure how they will ever prove it if it was a leak as would envision if there was any evidence it will have been long gone by now.

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by Moggy » Wed Jun 16, 2021 1:11 pm

Albear wrote:It's a pretty big coincidence no? Unless these labs are common place.

Not sure how they ever prove it as would envision if there was any evidence it will have been long gone by now.


I've no idea how big of a coincidence it is. After the SARS pandemic, China built labs to study these sorts of viruses. I've no idea how many they built though, for all I know every single Chinese city has a virology lab, which would make it completely uncoincidental.

It wasn't so long ago the theory was that somebody ate bat soup and caught it, there were loads of photos of it. But it turned out to be a load of bollocks.

Then it was the wet market, those Chinese markets with live animals caused it! Now it's the laboratory that caused it!

I'm sure in a month or so the theory will be a meteorite.

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by Rex Kramer » Wed Jun 16, 2021 1:13 pm

I wonder if there is an element of people trying to take comfort in the lab leak story in that it adds an element of control into a situation that is ultimately beyond human control. If it came out of a lab and someone made a mistake then that seems less scary than it just mutating in the environment and not being detected until it has a foothold in humans. Given general animal livestock management in China (and large parts of the world) then the second must be far more likely and orders of magnitude more frightening if you really consider it (or have watched Contagion).

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by Cuttooth » Wed Jun 16, 2021 1:21 pm

Albear wrote:It's a pretty big coincidence no? Unless these labs are common place.

Not sure how they will ever prove it if it was a leak as would envision if there was any evidence it will have been long gone by now.

Coronaviruses typically originate in China so they will have labs dedicated to researching it, including in large cities like Wuhan. This is apparently true of many different types of diseases in different parts of the world.

This article in Nature gives a lot of information on the lab leak theories and scientists disputing it.

https://www.nature.com/articles/d41586-021-01529-3

The Chinese government are at fault for many things with the early outbreak of Covid and there's always the chance that they have covered up an industrial accident / attack but I'd much prefer to wait for proper, full investigations.

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by Albert » Wed Jun 16, 2021 1:27 pm

Cheers I'll give that article a read.

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by JCDenton » Wed Jun 16, 2021 2:28 pm

I'd really like to check out those labs.

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by poshrule_uk » Wed Jun 16, 2021 3:06 pm

Highly unlikely it came from a lab and even if it did China would never admit to it and would probably do anything to stop it coming out.

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by That » Wed Jun 16, 2021 4:34 pm

In lighter news, there were 420,699 doses administered across the UK yesterday. Nice.

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by Godzilla » Wed Jun 16, 2021 7:36 pm

I helped out yesterday on the vaccine bus it was in Spennymoor (north east England) we did over 600 first dose vaccine walk in patients in 1 day. Line was around the full car park at times.

Removing the barrier of having to book, phone up etc encouraged a lot of people to come out. Both young and old.

Pretty amazing turnout and it really is the way forward, take the vaccine to the public.

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by Victor Mildew » Wed Jun 16, 2021 8:18 pm

Godzilla wrote:I helped out yesterday on the vaccine bus it was in Spennymoor (north east England) we did over 600 first dose vaccine walk in patients in 1 day. Line was around the full car park at times.

Removing the barrier of having to book, phone up etc encouraged a lot of people to come out. Both young and old.

Pretty amazing turnout and it really is the way forward, take the vaccine to the public.


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by Return_of_the_STAR » Wed Jun 16, 2021 9:47 pm

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2021/ ... SApp_Other

France and Spain to ease mask-wearing as Covid vaccine schemes gather pace

France and Spain are moving to ease rules around wearing face masks outside, in a development attributed by both countries to their Covid-19 vaccination campaigns.

In France, people will no longer be required to wear masks outdoors from Thursday, though they will still be obligatory on public transport, in sports stadiums and other crowded places. A nightly curfew will end as of Sunday.

The easing of restrictions, introduced at the end of October, was welcomed by the French prime minister, Jean Castex, as “very good news”. At one point the nightly curfew was as early as 6pm until 6am.


Enforced masks outdoors, nightly curfews and people here have been moaning that we’ve had it hard.

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by Hexx » Wed Jun 16, 2021 11:00 pm

Karl_ wrote:In lighter news, there were 420,699 doses administered across the UK yesterday. Nice.


That’s actually pretty low isn’t it?

Also if it was man made in China and escaped accidentally - so what?

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by Cuttooth » Wed Jun 16, 2021 11:05 pm

If only there was a cool internet number higher than 420. :(

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by Return_of_the_STAR » Wed Jun 16, 2021 11:28 pm

Hexx wrote:
Karl_ wrote:In lighter news, there were 420,699 doses administered across the UK yesterday. Nice.


That’s actually pretty low isn’t it?

Also if it was man made in China and escaped accidentally - so what?


Yes it’s on the low end. We seem to fluctuate between 400k and 800k on a daily basis.

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