Karl_ wrote:Errkal wrote:No I’m not, I’m saying you made the swap of “Momentum” for “Labour” which meant you were accusing someone of suggesting that what Momentum think is what Labour think.
As I’ve said I didn’t read the article, I’m not going to, and I’m not referencing it. I’m saying you yourself just you, are twisting what someone said to suggest they are tarnishing all of Labour with the momentum brush.
Go at them for saying momentum are banana splits if you want but say that, don’t swap “Momentum” for “Labour” they are not one and the same, Momentum are a subset like the ERG are a subset and should be treated as such.
To summarise, my issue with your word swapping, naff all to do with the argument. Hope this clears it up and you can go “sorry mate I didn’t realise” and next time not conflate someone’s reference to a group of mental with a larger group to mean they a referring the whole group.
Sure, OK. I feel bad for you that you're carrying around all this anger and hate about other Labour members. I don't view "Momentum" as an insult(?), and you should understand that when Tories pop off at a particular faction / group / person within Labour (or a union, etc.) they do it to undermine the left as a whole. Unity is the right response to that, in-fighting gives them what they want. I don't like Starmer very much but I'd stick up for him if a Tory was banging on about him.
I wouldn’t say I hate Momentum, I don’t think they are good, I don’t think they are actually helping labour as a whole, they are further left than I am and I think the country is / should be so them dragging the party that way just makes the conservatives job easier.
Corbyn was a outright failure and perusing that further just keeps the conservatives in power longer.
Honestly my only issue here is that you swapped the word “Momentum” for “Labour” suggesting they were one and the same instead of one being a subset of the other.
If a claim is levelled at Momentum it cant be assumed the same applies to labour, that’s what your comment suggested and that is all I am taking issue with.
I don’t think they help the party but that’s a whole different issue.