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by jiggles » Wed Jun 12, 2019 9:46 am

If anything, I'd have thought that ad had a trans-positive intent.

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by Tafdolphin » Wed Jun 12, 2019 9:49 am

jiggles wrote:If anything, I'd have thought that ad had a trans-positive intent.


Some people have argued that too.

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by Photek » Wed Jun 12, 2019 9:49 am

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BID0 wrote:Iceman was in that Microsoft time game shooter.

Wasn't Littlefinger in that as well?

Oh yeh! How did I forget him :lol: there was also another guy in that who I've seen on TV before

The Hobbit dude from Lord of the Rings

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by Jenuall » Wed Jun 12, 2019 10:00 am

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jiggles wrote:If anything, I'd have thought that ad had a trans-positive intent.


Some people have argued that too.

That was my read on it as well, but as I'm not a member of that community I'm not going to claim that their take on it is wrong.

I don't see it as framing transgenderism as "other" or "abnormal" but stating that their are multiple states, each of which are valid?

I also wouldn't classify it as "joke" in the sense that the billboards and posters in something like GTA are obviously hack gags - this just looks like world-building. Heavy handed world-building possibly, but I don't think it was an attempt to make the transgender community the butt of a joke.

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by Tafdolphin » Wed Jun 12, 2019 10:10 am

Yeah, I've mixed thoughts really. I think the reduction of transgenderism to 'chicks with dicks' is a very blokey way of looking at the world. The fact the dick is cartoonishly large doesn't help. But it does have a very dystopian retro-futuristic feel to it. If you saw it in the pages of Judge Dredd it'd fit right in.

So I don't know. I think those that find it offensive have their reasons. This isn't a Judge Dredd comic it's one of the largest pieces of mass market entertainment releasing in the coming year.

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by NickSCFC » Wed Jun 12, 2019 10:13 am

There was a thread on ResetEra complaining of xenophobia against the Japanese because of the Japanese logos on the buildings (movies like BladeRunner also featured this due to assumptions that the Japanese economy would overtake the US).

That forum's fast becoming a strawberry floating joke.

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by Tafdolphin » Wed Jun 12, 2019 10:16 am

NickSCFC wrote:There was a thread on ResetEra complaining of xenophobia against the Japanese because of the Japanese logos on the buildings (movies like BladeRunner also featured this due to assumptions that the Japanese economy would overtake the US).

That forum's fast becoming a strawberry floating joke.


Or, you know, they're actually discussing a widely held view on the exoticism of Japanese culture in cyberpunk...


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by Tomous » Wed Jun 12, 2019 10:17 am

My first impressions would be that they're world building, and that would be how big evil corporations would advertise in a dystopian, cyberpunk world.

On the other hand, I'm a straight male and have no idea if it's that's offensive from a trans perspective. As well as that, I totally get there be more sensitivity on this subject with CDPR involved given their transphobic issues in the past.

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by NickSCFC » Wed Jun 12, 2019 10:19 am

Tafdolphin wrote:
NickSCFC wrote:There was a thread on ResetEra complaining of xenophobia against the Japanese because of the Japanese logos on the buildings (movies like BladeRunner also featured this due to assumptions that the Japanese economy would overtake the US).

That forum's fast becoming a strawberry floating joke.


Or, you know, they're actually discussing a widely held view on the exoticism of Japanese culture in cyberpunk...



The very tweet you included accuses the game of xenophobia.

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by Tafdolphin » Wed Jun 12, 2019 10:25 am

No, it calls the exoticisation of Japan in western cyberpunk xenophobic. And then explains why. Did you read it?

This was a response thread which was equally as interesting; how the Japanese-US economic structure added to the othering of Japan in the 80s


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by jawafour » Wed Jun 12, 2019 10:46 am

Oh man. I'm getting frustrated that every video game has some sort of social / political issue that grabs the conversation.

Okay, I exaggerate, it's not all games. It is valid, of course. And it's a great thing that unwanted descriptions / appearances / scenarios are being challenged. Things should be called out and changed. It's a positive thing! I know that if developers / publishers didn't create "unpleasant situations" then we wouldn't have to talk about them.

Life beyond gaming is getting fraught as lifestyles and opinions are discussed and analysed like never before, and this is impacting everything; how we choose to live, how we interact and how we communicate. Things can go wrong and become tense so quickly.

I guess this stream-of-thought thinking is just my own frustration... I love video gaming and - to me - it acts as a form of "freedom" from real-life issues. And now gaming is a social, political beast just like real life. And this is reflected in GRcade.

I hope that folk have time to consider my subsequent thoughts rather than building a viewpoint on just that opening line. Anyway... this game sounds pretty neat, huh? Be nice to see some actual gameplay.

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by Preezy » Wed Jun 12, 2019 10:51 am

I'm basically hoping for an open-world mix of GTA, Deus Ex and Blade Runner. If it can give me that, I'll be happy.

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by Jenuall » Wed Jun 12, 2019 10:51 am

Interesting threads regarding the Japanese influence on Cybepunk and its origins. I very much enjoyed reading through that although I don't think i'm 100% on board with the core thesis. But then the US is a nation that is very prone to fear of the other and protection of the known so it's not too hard to see why the genre would project a future in this way to play on those fears directly.

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by Peter Crisp » Wed Jun 12, 2019 12:33 pm

Is it ok if I just ignore all this political stuff and just enjoy the game :shifty: .

It's an RGP set in a fictional city of cybernetic killing machines I have a feeling they have more to worry about than a game cover art as they try and not be murdered horribly by some bored nerd who decides it may be a laugh to blow up half the city.

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jiggles wrote:Nobody with a VR headset is going to be using it regularly this time next year, let alone in 4 years time.


Posted 16th March 2016. Let's see.
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by Preezy » Wed Jun 12, 2019 12:34 pm

Peter Crisp wrote:Is it ok if I just ignore all this political stuff and just enjoy the game :shifty: .

2woke4u?

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by NickSCFC » Wed Jun 12, 2019 12:34 pm

Stop the presses, a black character has a funny accent!!!

https://www.resetera.com/threads/rps-cy ... es.122727/

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by Peter Crisp » Wed Jun 12, 2019 12:36 pm

Preezy wrote:
Peter Crisp wrote:Is it ok if I just ignore all this political stuff and just enjoy the game :shifty: .

2woke4u?


I knew there was a reason I don't own a phone as I bloody can't stand textspeak :x .

Politics has a place but I mainly just play these games to relax, I don't also need a lecture telling me what a horrible person I am.
I can get that at work :shifty: .

jiggles wrote:Nobody with a VR headset is going to be using it regularly this time next year, let alone in 4 years time.


Posted 16th March 2016. Let's see.
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by Tafdolphin » Wed Jun 12, 2019 12:44 pm

NickSCFC wrote:Stop the presses, a black character has a funny accent!!!

https://www.resetera.com/threads/rps-cy ... es.122727/


Are you...not reading this stuff on purpose?

The controversy is a white character mockingly imitating a creole accent by pointedly using 'dem' instead of 'them'.

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by NickSCFC » Wed Jun 12, 2019 12:48 pm

Tafdolphin wrote:The controversy is a white character mockingly imitating a creole accent.


I'd do the same, anyone who pronounces "th" as "d" is an idiot in my books.

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by Jenuall » Wed Jun 12, 2019 12:51 pm

Hmm. I think it is hard to know how to respond to something like this - particularly as none of us have actually seen or played the thing yet.

Are we not allowed to have characters who are "not nice" now? I wonder if this is a choice the player can make or if the dialogue mocking the accent is unavoidable? This character almost certainly has the opportunity to kill all these people as well (and probably does so in the gameplay people have seen!) - but I doubt there would have been much outcry about that. Is murder not as bad as mockery?

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