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Delivery of knives bought online to be banned in the UK
Posted: Sun Jun 17, 2018 11:42 pm
by KK
All knives will soon have to be collected from a shop with an ID proving they are 18 rather than delivered to a home address in a major crackdown to be announced by new Home Secretary Sajid Javid on Monday.
These new knife laws, thought to be some of the toughest in the entire world, will also see ‘Zombie knives’ completely banned in Britain.
Javid said “Used wrongly, all knives are dangerous. I'll restrict all online knife sales so they must be delivered to a non-residential address,
There's no reason anyone needs zombie knives. But if police raid your house and you have one, they are powerless to act.”
Ministers will present the Offensive Weapons Bill to Parliament this week.
Wonder how this will work with places like Amazon and eBay, or will they all be removed from sale?
Re: Delivery of knives bought online to be banned in the UK
Posted: Sun Jun 17, 2018 11:57 pm
by PES Fan
KK wrote:All knives will soon have to be collected from a shop with an ID proving they are 18 rather than delivered to a home address in a major crackdown to be announced by new Home Secretary Sajid Javid on Monday.
These new knife laws, thought to be some of the toughest in the entire world, will also see ‘Zombie knives’ completely banned in Britain.
Javid said “Used wrongly, all knives are dangerous. I'll restrict all online knife sales so they must be delivered to a non-residential address,
There's no reason anyone needs zombie knives. But if police raid your house and you have one, they are powerless to act.”
Ministers will present the Offensive Weapons Bill to Parliament this week.
Wonder how this will work with places like Amazon and eBay, or will they all be removed from sale?
Amazon you probably can collect it from post office. As they can put a sticker on the parcel saying 18 plus and ask for ID. Sometimes when they deliver high value goods via logistics they ask for ID too.
eBay is a lot more tricky and they’d probably remove them from sale.
Re: Delivery of knives bought online to be banned in the UK
Posted: Mon Jun 18, 2018 12:16 am
by Lagamorph
Whenever I've ordered Wine or Champagne from Amazon the person delivering it has always asked me for ID, and you aren't able to select an Amazon locker as a delivery location. They won't even leave it with a neighbour if you're out either, it has to be delivered to the delivery address only.
There are plenty of shops offering drop off point services for deliveries so I don't think this will impact Amazon too much.
Re: Delivery of knives bought online to be banned in the UK
Posted: Mon Jun 18, 2018 6:31 am
by Vermilion
I guess this means the gangbangers will have to pick up their kitchenware from John Lewis instead.
Re: Delivery of knives bought online to be banned in the UK
Posted: Mon Jun 18, 2018 7:01 am
by Preezy
This is a sensible move. One of my mates was in Brighton yesterday and a group of kids sprinted past him and one of them dropped this massive machete. Terrifying how prevalent it is.
Re: Delivery of knives bought online to be banned in the UK
Posted: Mon Jun 18, 2018 7:27 am
by Dual
What we need is more knives.
Re: Delivery of knives bought online to be banned in the UK
Posted: Mon Jun 18, 2018 7:41 am
by Lex-Man
Vermilion wrote:I guess this means the gangbangers will have to pick up their kitchenware from John Lewis instead.
They could definitely use the business.
Re: Delivery of knives bought online to be banned in the UK
Posted: Mon Jun 18, 2018 8:13 am
by Moggy
Dual wrote:What we need is more knives.
This.
The only thing that stops a bad guy with a knife is a good guy with a knife.
Re: Delivery of knives bought online to be banned in the UK
Posted: Mon Jun 18, 2018 10:14 am
by OrangeRKN
Never heard of a zombie knife before
I'm glad people committing knife crime are dumb enough to decorate their weapons with words and images indicating their intention
Re: Delivery of knives bought online to be banned in the UK
Posted: Mon Jun 18, 2018 10:33 am
by captain red dog
How do other EU nations handle knife crime? I'm currently in France and knives are freely sold on markets and at street vendors but they don't seem to have quite the problem with knife crime.
I highly doubt having to ask for ID to obtain a knife will have any effect on knife crime and we certainly shouldn't be going down the route of a knife registry.
This sounds like a typical lazy response which doesn't get to the heart of the issue.
Re: Delivery of knives bought online to be banned in the UK
Posted: Mon Jun 18, 2018 10:36 am
by Preezy
captain red dog wrote:How do other EU nations handle knife crime? I'm currently in France and knives are freely sold on markets and at street vendors but they don't seem to have quite the problem with knife crime.
That's a very interesting question actually, I wonder how the UK ranks in terms of knife crime vs other non-gun nations?
Maybe our kids are just more inherently banana splitish?
Re: Delivery of knives bought online to be banned in the UK
Posted: Mon Jun 18, 2018 10:39 am
by captain red dog
Preezy wrote:captain red dog wrote:How do other EU nations handle knife crime? I'm currently in France and knives are freely sold on markets and at street vendors but they don't seem to have quite the problem with knife crime.
That's a very interesting question actually, I wonder how the UK ranks in terms of knife crime vs other non-gun nations?
Maybe our kids are just more inherently banana splitish?
It's a societal issue I suspect, poverty, lack of decent employment or access to education, disenfranchised communities etc.
Which would make Spain an interesting study with their high youth unemployment.
Re: Delivery of knives bought online to be banned in the UK
Posted: Mon Jun 18, 2018 10:41 am
by Moggy
captain red dog wrote:Preezy wrote:captain red dog wrote:How do other EU nations handle knife crime? I'm currently in France and knives are freely sold on markets and at street vendors but they don't seem to have quite the problem with knife crime.
That's a very interesting question actually, I wonder how the UK ranks in terms of knife crime vs other non-gun nations?
Maybe our kids are just more inherently banana splitish?
It's a societal issue I suspect, poverty, lack of decent employment or access to education, disenfranchised communities etc.
Which would make Spain an interesting study with their high youth unemployment.
I’ve been searching around but can’t find any stats on French knife crime. I’ve no idea if it is more or less of an issue there.
Re: Delivery of knives bought online to be banned in the UK
Posted: Mon Jun 18, 2018 10:47 am
by Tsunade
captain red dog wrote:I highly doubt having to ask for ID to obtain a knife will have any effect on knife crime and we certainly shouldn't be going down the route of a knife registry.
Totally agree with this. If underage people want knives they'll find some way to acquire one. Asking for ID isn't going to put much of a dent in the amount going on.
Re: Delivery of knives bought online to be banned in the UK
Posted: Mon Jun 18, 2018 10:50 am
by Preezy
We need to introduce the Pre-Sliced Directive which would see everything sold to the general public already sliced, thus removing the need for any knives.
I await my Nobel Awesome prize.
Re: Delivery of knives bought online to be banned in the UK
Posted: Mon Jun 18, 2018 11:08 am
by OrangeRKN
Tsunade wrote:captain red dog wrote:I highly doubt having to ask for ID to obtain a knife will have any effect on knife crime and we certainly shouldn't be going down the route of a knife registry.
Totally agree with this. If underage people want knives they'll find some way to acquire one. Asking for ID isn't going to put much of a dent in the amount going on.
It works for cigarettes and alcohol doesn't it?
These limitations are never about 100% prevention, they're about reducing the numbers through added inconvenience.
It also opens up more routes to prosecution for people involved, as now for example rather than just telling a kid to buy a knife online they will have to go through someone willing to sell them illegally. I'd much rather be able to follow up on the latter in an investigation.
Re: Delivery of knives bought online to be banned in the UK
Posted: Mon Jun 18, 2018 11:10 am
by Moggy
OrangeRakoon wrote:Tsunade wrote:captain red dog wrote:I highly doubt having to ask for ID to obtain a knife will have any effect on knife crime and we certainly shouldn't be going down the route of a knife registry.
Totally agree with this. If underage people want knives they'll find some way to acquire one. Asking for ID isn't going to put much of a dent in the amount going on.
It works for cigarettes and alcohol doesn't it
Yeah, kids never get hold of fags and booze.
Re: Delivery of knives bought online to be banned in the UK
Posted: Mon Jun 18, 2018 11:10 am
by OrangeRKN
Moggy wrote:OrangeRakoon wrote:It works for cigarettes and alcohol doesn't it
Yeah, kids never get hold of fags and booze.
These limitations are never about 100% prevention, they're about reducing the numbers through added inconvenience.
Re: Delivery of knives bought online to be banned in the UK
Posted: Mon Jun 18, 2018 11:11 am
by Moggy
OrangeRakoon wrote:Moggy wrote:OrangeRakoon wrote:It works for cigarettes and alcohol doesn't it
Yeah, kids never get hold of fags and booze.
These limitations are never about 100% prevention, they're about reducing the numbers through added inconvenience.
Moggy wrote:
Re: Delivery of knives bought online to be banned in the UK
Posted: Mon Jun 18, 2018 11:12 am
by Lotus
I was in France on a school trip years back and we were hanging around in an arcade. I went on one of those coin pusher machines and got a knife out of one of them as a prize.
I've tried to look for knife crime stats online for France and Germany etc but can't find any reliable stats. The most detailed I found was a breakdown of knife crime in Germany from an 'anti-Muslim thinktank', so not sure how reliable that will be.
