Depression, Anxiety, or other Mental Health Conditions

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by Somebody Else's Problem » Tue Jun 23, 2020 4:15 pm

Buffalo wrote:You’re going to regret that - I can hear him wailing on his guitar from the next village over here and he ain’t exactly Hendrix.


You must have incredible hearing, because it's only a 30 watt amp!

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by Green Gecko » Tue Jun 23, 2020 4:20 pm

Oh a joke landed in a serious thread, OK moving on.

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PostRe: Depression, Anxiety, or other Mental Health Conditions
by Outrunner » Tue Jun 23, 2020 4:37 pm

Eighthours wrote:Whenever people have talked about anxiety and depression, I've had no real idea about the physical, mental and emotional symptoms. What does it MEAN in your head to be anxious or depressed?
My Mum has suggested that I talk to my GP about things, but the idea of verbalising something so difficult when my stammer is acting up just fills me with blind fear, to be honest. I'm 42 years old... it feels like I should be able to deal with this better. I'm a logical person but my brain is just being a total dick. I want sympathy but I don't want to be treated like a special case. I want help with work but don't want to feel like a burden or have others think less of me. Aaaargh x 1,000,000.


You've had a lot of answers, just to throw mine in the ring.

My anxiety is usually low key, but constant. I worry. About pretty much anything. Writing an assignment? Worry. Dealing with members of the public? Worry. Going shopping? Worry. I've gone in to detail a few posts back how I worry about social situations. And I've learned to live with it. But it does sometimes cause issues. I love my holidays but sometimes, just leaving the hotel is a chore. I have to get everything ready for the day. Then check it. Then check it again. And sometimes I overreact. Badly. I've self harmed before when things have got too much and my low self-esteem has told me how stupid I am. I almost quit university last autumn before I'd even written an essay. Even when things are going well I can talk myself into thinking they aren't.

For what its worth, I'm 43. I've had the whole "I should be dealing with this better". The best advice I can give is ask for help. I get that it's hard, I found it extremely difficult, meeting new people, talking and hoping my verbal tick doesn't appear. But there is help out there and, one specific work manager aside, I've found having a support network is the best thing. MY GP has, on the whole been good, both the crisis team and my mental health nurse have been literal lifesavers. My mental health nurse in particular was the best and its a shame I don't still see her. And university have been great, between regular contact with my personal tutor, the departments welfare officer and a mentor who helps plan my week. All of these things help me and while its difficult to make that first step it's one worth making. You aren't a burden, you're someone going through a rough time right now and 100% deserve all the support that's out there.

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by Clarkman » Fri Jun 26, 2020 9:25 pm

First episode in a new series by Will Schoder. Very high production values and well researched.


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PostRe: Depression, Anxiety, or other Mental Health Conditions
by Green Gecko » Sat Jun 27, 2020 1:49 am

I think happiness is a bit of a misnomer, as you can't be happy all the time. Being happy all the time is biologically wrong, in fact, it's not even remotely possible.

Content or "safe" is a much better word. Most humans in this country are safe from the vast majority of natural hazards. That alone is a reason to feel safer than in some other walks of life. Sometimes I just think about how I'm sat beneath the stars and my life isn't immediately at threat from anything, but perhaps that's a pretty low bar to set. It still makes me feel better in some situations worrying about work or whatever.

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PostRe: Depression, Anxiety, or other Mental Health Conditions
by Hime » Sat Jun 27, 2020 3:49 am

Have any of you tried CBD oil? My insomnia and this anxiety has gotten really bad again and I need to do something about it.

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PostRe: Depression, Anxiety, or other Mental Health Conditions
by Rocsteady » Sat Jun 27, 2020 7:41 am

Hime wrote:Have any of you tried CBD oil? My insomnia and this anxiety has gotten really bad again and I need to do something about it.

I did years ago, found it helped with both. May very well have just been placebo effect.

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by Dowbocop » Sat Jun 27, 2020 10:23 am

False wrote:my stutter gets worse when Im stressed but tbh most people you encounter dont care

the worst is when people try to finish words for you - its a strange sensation but its like your brain pauses on the word and you cant unpause your brain until you say it, people mean well and try to help but you cant get by without saying it

I have a very minor stammer when I'm anxious, but the big thing for me is that I say the wrong thing. I know what I want to say but cue the wrong sentence up in my head, then a few words in I realise I've strawberry floated up and have to go back on myself and start again. Alternatively I'll reach a natural pause point in my sentence and just be unable to continue. I'll have to have a massive pause while I get everything straight in my head so I can carry on.

If I'm in a casual situation I'm usually confident enough to laugh it off or deal with it. Even when I'm talking to patients I can make a joke about the record skipping and it's all good. The worst is when someone pounces on it and makes a big thing about it so you completely get derailed, or if it happens in a big meeting and someone uses it to butt in so you don't get to say what you needed to.

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PostRe: Depression, Anxiety, or other Mental Health Conditions
by False » Sat Jun 27, 2020 10:54 am

Rocsteady wrote:
Hime wrote:Have any of you tried CBD oil? My insomnia and this anxiety has gotten really bad again and I need to do something about it.

I did years ago, found it helped with both. May very well have just been placebo effect.


I tried it and it did nothing for me

thc vape worked wonders though..

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PostRe: Depression, Anxiety, or other Mental Health Conditions
by blackoutHERO » Sat Jun 27, 2020 11:06 am

Hime wrote:Have any of you tried CBD oil? My insomnia and this anxiety has gotten really bad again and I need to do something about it.


It's really really helping with my break up recovery just now. Really eases my mind and calms my anxiety. I only started ten days ago. Started with 20mg a day, now up to 40mg and will stay here. This is the stuff I got: https://cbdiablo.co.uk/product/cbdiablo ... il-1000mg/

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PostRe: Depression, Anxiety, or other Mental Health Conditions
by Curls » Sat Jun 27, 2020 5:36 pm

Green Gecko wrote:I think happiness is a bit of a misnomer, as you can't be happy all the time. Being happy all the time is biologically wrong, in fact, it's not even remotely possible.

Content or "safe" is a much better word. Most humans in this country are safe from the vast majority of natural hazards. That alone is a reason to feel safer than in some other walks of life. Sometimes I just think about how I'm sat beneath the stars and my life isn't immediately at threat from anything, but perhaps that's a pretty low bar to set. It still makes me feel better in some situations worrying about work or whatever.


I do agree with this.

Life isn't about seeking constant hapiness, its about being able to deal with sadness and depression, being able to accept that life isn't great, and being able to look forward to things. Those who seek constant happiness are doomed to not be happy, those who are content with mediocrity, them people have got it figured out.

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PostRe: Depression, Anxiety, or other Mental Health Conditions
by Hime » Sat Jun 27, 2020 7:21 pm

blackoutHERO wrote:
Hime wrote:Have any of you tried CBD oil? My insomnia and this anxiety has gotten really bad again and I need to do something about it.


It's really really helping with my break up recovery just now. Really eases my mind and calms my anxiety. I only started ten days ago. Started with 20mg a day, now up to 40mg and will stay here. This is the stuff I got: https://cbdiablo.co.uk/product/cbdiablo ... il-1000mg/

Thanks all, I don't really want to go to the doctor's yet as I'm not quite to out on anti depressants or anything like that so I'll give these a try.

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by Clarkman » Sat Jun 27, 2020 8:03 pm

Curls wrote:
Green Gecko wrote:I think happiness is a bit of a misnomer, as you can't be happy all the time. Being happy all the time is biologically wrong, in fact, it's not even remotely possible.

Content or "safe" is a much better word. Most humans in this country are safe from the vast majority of natural hazards. That alone is a reason to feel safer than in some other walks of life. Sometimes I just think about how I'm sat beneath the stars and my life isn't immediately at threat from anything, but perhaps that's a pretty low bar to set. It still makes me feel better in some situations worrying about work or whatever.


I do agree with this.

Life isn't about seeking constant hapiness, its about being able to deal with sadness and depression, being able to accept that life isn't great, and being able to look forward to things. Those who seek constant happiness are doomed to not be happy, those who are content with mediocrity, them people have got it figured out.


Try watching the video.

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PostRe: Depression, Anxiety, or other Mental Health Conditions
by Curls » Sat Jun 27, 2020 8:07 pm

Clarkman wrote:
Curls wrote:
Green Gecko wrote:I think happiness is a bit of a misnomer, as you can't be happy all the time. Being happy all the time is biologically wrong, in fact, it's not even remotely possible.

Content or "safe" is a much better word. Most humans in this country are safe from the vast majority of natural hazards. That alone is a reason to feel safer than in some other walks of life. Sometimes I just think about how I'm sat beneath the stars and my life isn't immediately at threat from anything, but perhaps that's a pretty low bar to set. It still makes me feel better in some situations worrying about work or whatever.


I do agree with this.

Life isn't about seeking constant hapiness, its about being able to deal with sadness and depression, being able to accept that life isn't great, and being able to look forward to things. Those who seek constant happiness are doomed to not be happy, those who are content with mediocrity, them people have got it figured out.


Try watching the video.


I haven't had 45 mins yet, sorry if that's exactly what the video says clarky.

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PostRe: Depression, Anxiety, or other Mental Health Conditions
by Hime » Sun Jun 28, 2020 8:49 pm

Has anyone ever had any help from the NHS with insomnia? I feel like I'm getting into a bad cycle of not sleeping, feeling tired all day then getting anxious I won't sleep. Obviously shift work doesn't help but I actually like working shifts so I don't think of that as a problem.

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by Dowbocop » Sun Jun 28, 2020 9:10 pm

Hime wrote:Has anyone ever had any help from the NHS with insomnia? I feel like I'm getting into a bad cycle of not sleeping, feeling tired all day then getting anxious I won't sleep. Obviously shift work doesn't help but I actually like working shifts so I don't think of that as a problem.

What's your general sleep hygeine like - evening caffiene intake, alcohol use, screen use before bed etc? That was discussed when I was having therapy, and all I was doing was staying awake ruminating on whether I should've punched a banana split that particular day :lol:

It's likely to be one of the first things they ask you and will want you to change, so you'll be further along the treatment pathway if you can say you do switch off and have a cup of warm milk before bed and you're still struggling.

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by Karl_ » Sun Jun 28, 2020 9:17 pm

Hime wrote:Has anyone ever had any help from the NHS with insomnia? I feel like I'm getting into a bad cycle of not sleeping, feeling tired all day then getting anxious I won't sleep. Obviously shift work doesn't help but I actually like working shifts so I don't think of that as a problem.

Yeah, I have. My insomnia was made worse by depression / anxiety, so they gave me antidepressants that had a sedative side-effect. It helped.

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by Mini E » Sun Jun 28, 2020 9:30 pm

Karl_ wrote:
Hime wrote:Has anyone ever had any help from the NHS with insomnia? I feel like I'm getting into a bad cycle of not sleeping, feeling tired all day then getting anxious I won't sleep. Obviously shift work doesn't help but I actually like working shifts so I don't think of that as a problem.

Yeah, I have. My insomnia was made worse by depression / anxiety, so they gave me antidepressants that had a sedative side-effect. It helped.


I've recently been chucked onto the Sleepio programme (Free to sign up) and doing that course at the moment... then I'm not sure what they'll do with the data when I've finished the course. It's quite a useful free tool/course, to be honest. Worth a look. Starts with a week purely of logging your sleep, though, so don't expect sudden results.

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by Hime » Sun Jun 28, 2020 9:32 pm

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Hime wrote:Has anyone ever had any help from the NHS with insomnia? I feel like I'm getting into a bad cycle of not sleeping, feeling tired all day then getting anxious I won't sleep. Obviously shift work doesn't help but I actually like working shifts so I don't think of that as a problem.

What's your general sleep hygeine like - evening caffiene intake, alcohol use, screen use before bed etc? That was discussed when I was having therapy, and all I was doing was staying awake ruminating on whether I should've punched a banana split that particular day :lol:

It's likely to be one of the first things they ask you and will want you to change, so you'll be further along the treatment pathway if you can say you do switch off and have a cup of warm milk before bed and you're still struggling.

Yeah that's what I'm worried about as I feel like you get patronised with "just go in another room and read", sometimes that works but other times I need to watch a video or something to take my mind off whatever I'm thinking about. It's mostly to do with work so I can totally appreciate that as I'm normally having full blown arguments with people in my head :lol: . Other times I'm totally calm in that I'm not thinking about anything negative but still have the feeling of being anxious if that makes sense. These are what I find most difficult as there doesn't seem to be any reason it happens.

I feel like night shifts will get the brunt of the blame but other than bad times like now (on my third night shift running on about 8 hours sleep over the 3 days) night shifts help as knowing I don't have to wake up early to an alarm can make it easier to sleep.

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Hime wrote:Has anyone ever had any help from the NHS with insomnia? I feel like I'm getting into a bad cycle of not sleeping, feeling tired all day then getting anxious I won't sleep. Obviously shift work doesn't help but I actually like working shifts so I don't think of that as a problem.

Yeah, I have. My insomnia was made worse by depression / anxiety, so they gave me antidepressants that had a sedative side-effect. It helped.

I'm really not keen on taking anti depressants or beta blockers anymore, I felt like they worked some of the time but I had weird side effects like I'd be walking along and feel like I'd just put my foot in a hole, like I was falling. Horrendous acid reflux and heart burn was another. I wish I could just take a mild sedative that I new would knock me out for 8 hours. I imagine even that has negatives as now I'll take melatonin and nytol when I'm working. Sometimes it works like a dream but others I don't also at all and function like a zombie for the morning which isn't ideal with a lengthy commute.

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by Dowbocop » Sun Jun 28, 2020 10:23 pm

Hime wrote:
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Hime wrote:Has anyone ever had any help from the NHS with insomnia? I feel like I'm getting into a bad cycle of not sleeping, feeling tired all day then getting anxious I won't sleep. Obviously shift work doesn't help but I actually like working shifts so I don't think of that as a problem.

What's your general sleep hygeine like - evening caffiene intake, alcohol use, screen use before bed etc? That was discussed when I was having therapy, and all I was doing was staying awake ruminating on whether I should've punched a banana split that particular day :lol:

It's likely to be one of the first things they ask you and will want you to change, so you'll be further along the treatment pathway if you can say you do switch off and have a cup of warm milk before bed and you're still struggling.

Yeah that's what I'm worried about as I feel like you get patronised with "just go in another room and read", sometimes that works but other times I need to watch a video or something to take my mind off whatever I'm thinking about. It's mostly to do with work so I can totally appreciate that as I'm normally having full blown arguments with people in my head :lol: . Other times I'm totally calm in that I'm not thinking about anything negative but still have the feeling of being anxious if that makes sense. These are what I find most difficult as there doesn't seem to be any reason it happens.

I feel like night shifts will get the brunt of the blame but other than bad times like now (on my third night shift running on about 8 hours sleep over the 3 days) night shifts help as knowing I don't have to wake up early to an alarm can make it easier to sleep.

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Hime wrote:Has anyone ever had any help from the NHS with insomnia? I feel like I'm getting into a bad cycle of not sleeping, feeling tired all day then getting anxious I won't sleep. Obviously shift work doesn't help but I actually like working shifts so I don't think of that as a problem.

Yeah, I have. My insomnia was made worse by depression / anxiety, so they gave me antidepressants that had a sedative side-effect. It helped.

I'm really not keen on taking anti depressants or beta blockers anymore, I felt like they worked some of the time but I had weird side effects like I'd be walking along and feel like I'd just put my foot in a hole, like I was falling. Horrendous acid reflux and heart burn was another. I wish I could just take a mild sedative that I new would knock me out for 8 hours. I imagine even that has negatives as now I'll take melatonin and nytol when I'm working. Sometimes it works like a dream but others I don't also at all and function like a zombie for the morning which isn't ideal with a lengthy commute.

The amount of times Arsenal have gooseberry fool the bed on a weeknight game and I've laid awake at night processing is probably too many to be healthy, and I imagine we're similar in that respect :lol:

If you've had previous mental health discussions with your GP then it's probably best to just speak to them as they'll have your medical history. The fact is that all the patronising soft stuff is important, you might not feel like it helps you get to sleep but if you didn't do it you'd be a lot further away from drifting off if you get my meaning. In my experience, if you can say that you are practicing the self-care aspects already, and sometimes they don't work, then they have more to work with and are actually less likely to say "well just go and count sheep lol". I work in ophthalmology and get patients complaining about dry eyes. I ask them if they've seen their GP and they say they got drops from the GP or chemist but stopped using them because it got better. I advise them to speak to the GP, but in reality they'll just tell that patient to carry on with the drops because they were advised or prescribed a treatment and it worked, so carry on doing it! If they follow the doctor's advice and it doesn't work or stops working then the GP has more information to go on and may suggest a different route.


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