Depression, Anxiety, or other Mental Health Conditions

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by Green Gecko » Sat Jul 18, 2020 7:35 pm

Zilnad wrote:Just to chime in, earlier in the month, when I told my boss that I was suffering with anxiety and depression, his response was "well you really should have told me about this before you got to this point. Maybe go for a walk, you'll probably find the fresh air will make you feel better".

Like, what the actual strawberry float? How can you say something like that to someone? But I remember when he told me that Joker "taught" him so much about mental health that he wasn't aware of, so go figure. It's just upsetting that he isn't an exception and that most people still react to mental health in equally abhorrent ways.

I don't even speak to my mum about mental health because whenever it comes up she immediately gets defensive as if no one in her family could ever have "mental problems". I remember receiving a letter from the police, offering me support after I filed an incident of assault at the hands of my father and my mum didn't even let me read it. Just joked that I wasn't "mental" and didn't need counselling. But now I'm moving further away from the issue of people's awful reactions to hearing about mental health and going into a dark tangent about my own problems :shifty:

Anyway, I really didn't mean to go on and on. Just wanted to slag off my boss a bit for his ignorance.

Really sorry to read about this mate. If your family treat mental illness in this way it is probably for the best to avoid raising the issue with them and focus on what your GP and relevant support services can do for you instead.

FOr example I've been going through some (albeit paid, fortunately I can pay for this myself moving forward thanks to a recent correction to the personal independence payment) counselling every week. One of my key takeaways is the situation that "I can't be responsible for my parents actions", whereas previously I tried too hard to compensate for them or make up for their shiftiness in various situations. I feel the same rule applies here.

You can't be blamed for simply "getting too ill" and "not letting us know you were getting more and more ill", that is very unfair. For extreme example, you might have had a cancer eating away at you and not found out until you needed to be signed off work for a year or more with chemotherapy. It's absurd to blame an individual for not identify in a legitimate illness as soon as possible. Nobody can be held responsible for such things.

But some of the things you've mentioned in the work thread previously suggest to me your management are not the most shining example and so again I wouildn't blame yourself and have every right to vent about such occurrences. There are very real and present mental health stigma issues in British culture that will take time to alleviate, just remember that none of these people have a permanent hold over you and things can and will change.

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PostRe: Depression, Anxiety, or other Mental Health Conditions
by Green Gecko » Sat Jul 18, 2020 7:40 pm

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Fade wrote:A lot of people are really dense about mental health aren't they.

It's why I don't talk about my mental health issues to anyone I know. The first time I spoke to someone and told them I had been diagnosed with anxiety and depression the very first thing they said was "well you can talk to people just fine!" And cut off the conversation. It's happened time and time again to me. Just because I can talk to people quite easily doesn't mean I don't have anxiety issues.

I don't speak about when I've felt suicidal either. I've been told, when I've said that I'm feeling like that, to "stop being stupid" before the conversation gets changed again. It's like it's a taboo. It upsets me because sometimes all I do need is someone to talk to about this sort of stuff when I'm feeling like that and I don't feel like I can. It's not the same when you have scheduled therapy, because when I've gone to it I haven't had these feelings and thoughts.

I have suicidal ideation roughly every few weeks at least, please feel free to talk about your experiences here if that helps :wub:

I've never really acted on them, but I do often go off on "wanders" into the middle of nowhere without really knowing where I intend to end up, I've put myself in very real (I..e potential no return situations) on the railway before and I used to suffocate myself under water and with pillows when I was as young as 11 or so. It all stems from my family's breakup when I was 5 years old, bullying or just genetics, nailing a cause down for it isn't really the be all and end all, it's a constant process of self discovery to work through my triggers.

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PostRe: Depression, Anxiety, or other Mental Health Conditions
by Zilnad » Sat Jul 18, 2020 8:08 pm

GG looking after us all :wub: I hope you're doing well yourself, dude.

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PostRe: Depression, Anxiety, or other Mental Health Conditions
by Meep » Sat Jul 18, 2020 8:24 pm

My main issue atm is just crushing loneliness. I have made some enquiries today about volunteering at a local animal sanctuary so hopefully something comes of that.

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by Green Gecko » Sat Jul 18, 2020 9:43 pm

WHen I felt really worthless after an unpaid internship that left me drained and exhausted, not only was it a hostile, compressed environment in the middle of soho in London which was way too overstimulating for me, but they were homophobic (they insisted my bag was a "women's bag" and I later found out they were calling me "bender" in emails to each other, these were the directors!), I was doing a long commute into London and treated like an inconvenience just asking for the the fare backs nevermind actually getting paid the minimum wage (no that was asking too much, I was lucky I was doing an unpaid job in TV and film visual effects, don't dare ask for basic pay!). The result of this after getting "fired" (how this is possible from an unpaid position I have no idea) for coughing and going in "Sick" (I was just exhausted), putting the whole company at risk (yeah, sure), my confidence was completely destroyed. I applied for a volunteer ship at a small gallery, this then led to me getting paid work at the arts university I studied at as a gallery technician. That had its own problems but it was paid. I actually found that job to be one of the most rewarding, just because the people were nice, and it felt like my the work I was doing was valued, whether that was wrapping up artwork or just hoovering around, bearing in mind I wasn't even paid previously. I mostly designed posters in Adobe. I think volunteering is a good idea if you feel directionless and lonely, it gives you something to do at least one day a week and somewhere to fit in and contribute, it can help you come out of a shell/cave/whatever metaphor and there is no obligation to continue for any length of time and looks good on your CV. At the very least a reason to get out of bed in the morning and feel party of the community, it's definitely better than work shadowing or internships or other dodgy stuff that can lead you to being very easily exploited or travelling long distances to your "ideal" work. THis was after I graduated by the way so my options weren't super great, I also did some temping which didn't work out so well as it was an open office environment with a really dystopic work process.

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by kerr9000 » Sun Jul 19, 2020 2:34 pm

I have had mental health issues and other such issues for a long time. I was diagnosed with epilepsy very young and this made me feel different to everyone, a difference I was terrified would be found out and used to exclude me from groups, then I had my issues connected to PTSD and the discovery im autistic. I think you need to find your own coping mechanisms and ways of fighting back, its not a case of fighting and beating it either its something that you kind of need to fight back all the time. The way you fight it might be talking to a GP and getting in to therapy, something I have done, or it might be finding an outlet or just coming to terms with it and finding how to work around it.

I think this thread is great because we all share our issues and give each other strength and thats important. One of the ways I have always tried to fight it is by talking about it, I want to help other people I have worked for mental health charities I have made blogs and youtube videos talking about my PTSD in the hope if one other person with it finds these and gets some comfort then I have given something back, I have spent a few hours making a youtube video on the suicide forest in Japan and there recent mental health laws because well it just feels like your doing something about the problem.

I was really really stressed about returning to work to the point it made me have a full blown PTSD panic attack with audio flashbacks and the full works something I havent experienced so full on in years, but im back and I have done a week back so I feel its a minor hurdle I have gotten across, I do swear one day I will get sacked though as I get through it with a lot of dark humour usually by telling bad jokes usually about murdering Garry Barlow or other such things as well as very often proving my deputy manager wrong and making her look stupid because shes a terrible person and I feel this readresses some of the good/bad balance in the world and I guess its only a matter of time till someone takes major offence (I have been there 5 years though) but I just try to cope from day to day.

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PostRe: Depression, Anxiety, or other Mental Health Conditions
by andretmzt » Mon Jul 20, 2020 11:15 am

Meep wrote:My main issue atm is just crushing loneliness. I have made some enquiries today about volunteering at a local animal sanctuary so hopefully something comes of that.


I hope so too! Volunteering a couple of times a week at a charity shop and heritage railway years back really helped me get back on my feet. I got to talk to a lot of people (the general public :shifty:) and it kept me fairly active and feeling good about myself.

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PostRe: Depression, Anxiety, or other Mental Health Conditions
by Hime » Mon Jul 20, 2020 8:25 pm

The rise in dog thefts in the area has really gotten under my skin. I joined a couple of Facebook groups and learned a lady was approached walking through the woods where I walk my dog and it's making me feel equal parts anxious and angry. Like I'm worried but I also want someone to come up to me so that I can make sure they can't hurt anyone else. This sort of stuff makes the insomnia so bad, I just wind myself up getting so angry.

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PostRe: Depression, Anxiety, or other Mental Health Conditions
by Tsunade » Mon Jul 20, 2020 8:35 pm

How do you guys deal with suicidal thoughts? I've had one pop into my head today and I'm just a massive mess now. I'm in a very stressful situation at the moment and that's weighing a lot on my mind too, I know its contributing to my mood but today has been a massive low point.

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by kerr9000 » Mon Jul 20, 2020 10:00 pm

Tsunade wrote:How do you guys deal with suicidal thoughts? I've had one pop into my head today and I'm just a massive mess now. I'm in a very stressful situation at the moment and that's weighing a lot on my mind too, I know its contributing to my mood but today has been a massive low point.


I think the issue is that different things work for different people.... some people will push it away and carry on and that works for them, others will talk about it a lot and reach out. I would say its important to realise that there is no wrong answer you just need to work out what works for you. Personally when I have felt like that I have formed a mental note of all the reasons not to, such as because my daughter depends on me, or that it will make the people who have hurt me win... I also like the idea of a happy box, basically get a box and fill it with things that make you happy, a CD with your favourite music on it, a teddy you like to cuddle , a bar of your favourite chocolates ecetera and when you get down go to the box.

On a side note if you ever need to talk my PM box is always open, same goes to anyone in here.

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PostRe: Depression, Anxiety, or other Mental Health Conditions
by Tsunade » Mon Jul 20, 2020 10:06 pm

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Tsunade wrote:How do you guys deal with suicidal thoughts? I've had one pop into my head today and I'm just a massive mess now. I'm in a very stressful situation at the moment and that's weighing a lot on my mind too, I know its contributing to my mood but today has been a massive low point.


I think the issue is that different things work for different people.... some people will push it away and carry on and that works for them, others will talk about it a lot and reach out. I would say its important to realise that there is no wrong answer you just need to work out what works for you. Personally when I have felt like that I have formed a mental note of all the reasons not to, such as because my daughter depends on me, or that it will make the people who have hurt me win... I also like the idea of a happy box, basically get a box and fill it with things that make you happy, a CD with your favourite music on it, a teddy you like to cuddle , a bar of your favourite chocolates ecetera and when you get down go to the box.

On a side note if you ever need to talk my PM box is always open, same goes to anyone in here.

I might actually set one of those boxes up, thanks so much. And I'll keep that in mind if I need someone to talk to. Thanks Kerr, it really means a lot.

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by kerr9000 » Mon Jul 20, 2020 10:22 pm

Tsunade wrote:
kerr9000 wrote:
Tsunade wrote:How do you guys deal with suicidal thoughts? I've had one pop into my head today and I'm just a massive mess now. I'm in a very stressful situation at the moment and that's weighing a lot on my mind too, I know its contributing to my mood but today has been a massive low point.


I think the issue is that different things work for different people.... some people will push it away and carry on and that works for them, others will talk about it a lot and reach out. I would say its important to realise that there is no wrong answer you just need to work out what works for you. Personally when I have felt like that I have formed a mental note of all the reasons not to, such as because my daughter depends on me, or that it will make the people who have hurt me win... I also like the idea of a happy box, basically get a box and fill it with things that make you happy, a CD with your favourite music on it, a teddy you like to cuddle , a bar of your favourite chocolates ecetera and when you get down go to the box.

On a side note if you ever need to talk my PM box is always open, same goes to anyone in here.

I might actually set one of those boxes up, thanks so much. And I'll keep that in mind if I need someone to talk to. Thanks Kerr, it really means a lot.


You are more than welcome, you have always come across as an absolutely fabulous person, keep your head up I know this place is much better for having you around.

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PostRe: Depression, Anxiety, or other Mental Health Conditions
by Mini E » Mon Jul 20, 2020 11:12 pm

Tsunade wrote:
kerr9000 wrote:
Tsunade wrote:How do you guys deal with suicidal thoughts? I've had one pop into my head today and I'm just a massive mess now. I'm in a very stressful situation at the moment and that's weighing a lot on my mind too, I know its contributing to my mood but today has been a massive low point.


I think the issue is that different things work for different people.... some people will push it away and carry on and that works for them, others will talk about it a lot and reach out. I would say its important to realise that there is no wrong answer you just need to work out what works for you. Personally when I have felt like that I have formed a mental note of all the reasons not to, such as because my daughter depends on me, or that it will make the people who have hurt me win... I also like the idea of a happy box, basically get a box and fill it with things that make you happy, a CD with your favourite music on it, a teddy you like to cuddle , a bar of your favourite chocolates ecetera and when you get down go to the box.

On a side note if you ever need to talk my PM box is always open, same goes to anyone in here.

I might actually set one of those boxes up, thanks so much. And I'll keep that in mind if I need someone to talk to. Thanks Kerr, it really means a lot.


Would fully support Kerr's idea here. I have a Spotify playlist of my favourite music from my favourite old films (mostly 40s, 50s and 60s) that I play on my walks. Combination of fresh air, physical activity, and happy music that I have no negative associations with is just the best tonic.

I'd also recommend the "Stay Alive" app. It's broken down into "Find Help Now", "Stay Alive", "Worried about Someone", "Myths about Suicide" and "About Stay Alive" sections.
The Find Help Now section is obviously useful for the really low moments, but the 'Stay Alive' section involves you ticking boxes that are your reasons to stay alive while you're having a good day, and then you refer back to them when feeling low and you remember it's your own objective handiwork.

Take care matey.

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PostRe: Depression, Anxiety, or other Mental Health Conditions
by Fade » Tue Jul 21, 2020 3:17 am

I've always felt better after a long walk with my headphones on and music turned up, trouble is having the motivation sometimes.

Does anybody else have trouble crying? I'd say I probably cry about once every 3 months, it really has to build up. For some reason this song just set me off https://open.spotify.com/track/3PqG25cn ... TFXXYV2mKg
(Though I was already in a absolutely massively low mood)

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by Rocsteady » Tue Jul 21, 2020 6:19 am

Hime wrote:The rise in dog thefts in the area has really gotten under my skin. I joined a couple of Facebook groups and learned a lady was approached walking through the woods where I walk my dog and it's making me feel equal parts anxious and angry. Like I'm worried but I also want someone to come up to me so that I can make sure they can't hurt anyone else. This sort of stuff makes the insomnia so bad, I just wind myself up getting so angry.

I presume you look fairly jacked mate so don't think you'd be a prime target!

It's tough though, I've taken back up boxing with the catalyst of struggling a little to get over the anger of someone stealing my stuff - and that was just inanimate objects, nevermind my dog. Maybe you could try a combat sport? They really help get anger out.

Otherwise tbh I'd probably leave those groups - there are terrible people out there but hearing about them doesn't do anything positive. Realistically you're aware of it and beyond that there's nothing you can do, reading about it frequently isn't going to change that.

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PostRe: Depression, Anxiety, or other Mental Health Conditions
by Zilnad » Tue Jul 21, 2020 6:07 pm

Got some Citalopram in the medicine cupboard from a prescription a couple of years ago. It's about 5 week's worth and it's still in date so I think I'm going to start taking them again and see if they help at all. I'm just fed up of feeling sad and anxious the whole time and if I'm going to have to go back into an office, I need to try something to be prepared.

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by Fade » Tue Jul 21, 2020 6:17 pm

Zilnad wrote:Got some Citalopram in the medicine cupboard from a prescription a couple of years ago. It's about 5 week's worth and it's still in date so I think I'm going to start taking them again and see if they help at all. I'm just fed up of feeling sad and anxious the whole time and if I'm going to have to go back into an office, I need to try something to be prepared.

I really wouldn't take them without a doctor's advice. If you go onto them or come off of them too quickly you can get some pretty unpleasant side effects.

Especially since you're meant to take them for at least 6 months before coming off them.

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by Zilnad » Tue Jul 21, 2020 7:07 pm

Fade wrote:
Zilnad wrote:Got some Citalopram in the medicine cupboard from a prescription a couple of years ago. It's about 5 week's worth and it's still in date so I think I'm going to start taking them again and see if they help at all. I'm just fed up of feeling sad and anxious the whole time and if I'm going to have to go back into an office, I need to try something to be prepared.

I really wouldn't take them without a doctor's advice. If you go onto them or come off of them too quickly you can get some pretty unpleasant side effects.

Especially since you're meant to take them for at least 6 months before coming off them.


You're probably right. I feel like I'm drunk tonight. Very spacey and like I'm having to consciously act normal. Thanks for the advice, Fade.

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by Green Gecko » Tue Jul 21, 2020 7:50 pm

What dose is it? 10mg or so isn't such a big deal, but it also depends what other medication you're on.

I take Citalopram 40mg for a couple of years now. Yes, the withdrawal side effects are strawberry floating horrendous and kick in after about 48hrs, this is because there is pretty much zero serotonin in your system, as an important neurotransmitter hormone this means your brain and nerves can't communicate optimally which strawberry floats all kinds of gooseberry fool up. That said, it would probably take about 4-6 weeks (I think 6 weeks is the minimum expected "coming on" period to observe any positive effects) for your body to depend on the drug to stabilise serotonin levels.

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PostRe: Depression, Anxiety, or other Mental Health Conditions
by Zilnad » Tue Jul 21, 2020 8:03 pm

It's only 20mg but I'm probably better to see the doctor first.


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