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Re: Depression, Anxiety, or other Mental Health Conditions

Posted: Wed Nov 22, 2017 8:00 pm
by No:1 Final Fantasy Fan
I occasionally feel down about my weak recessed chin. I can't stand looking at my side profile in mirrors or photos taken from the side because of this.

I'm going to the hospital tomorrow to see an orthodontist in the maxillofacial department to consider options to make my chin more prominent with surgery.

But at the same time I am so scared of side effects i.e. permanent numbness through nerve damage

The surgery proposed a few years ago when I went to see him was to have upper and lower jaw surgery...
lower jaw surgery to move my jaw forward and also rotated counter clockwise but this would result in upper jaw surgery to rotate it clockwise so that it would match the position of my lower teeth after the rotation there.

We both decided against this as it is a lot of work to be done and instead I just got braces and upper teeth extractions to fix my goofy smile because my front teeth looked very prominent due to my weak lower jaw/chin. My goofy smile made my chin look worse than it was so it was hoped that this treatment of pulling my upper teeth back would camouflage the weak chin.

3 years later now...I am due to have my braces off next week but before that I have this one final appointment scheduled to see if I still want anything done about my weak chin.
There are other solutions besides the surgery mentioned above such as:
- Sliding genioplasty (surgery to cut the corner part of my chin and reposition the bone to give my chin more horizontal and vertical length)
- A silicone chin implant

I just don't know if it is worth the risk, time and stress. But at the same time I don't like my weak chin. I'm just stuck in a vicious cycle in my mind about what to do. Maybe seeing the dentist tomorrow will help me reach a decision.

Re: Depression, Anxiety, or other Mental Health Conditions

Posted: Wed Nov 22, 2017 9:44 pm
by Squinty
Serious question, can you grow facial hair? Cause if you can, that can help with a weak chin.

I don't know about surgery for something like this. Seems like a big step.

Re: Depression, Anxiety, or other Mental Health Conditions

Posted: Wed Nov 22, 2017 10:05 pm
by No:1 Final Fantasy Fan
Squinty wrote:Serious question, can you grow facial hair? Cause if you can, that can help with a weak chin.

I don't know about surgery for something like this. Seems like a big step.

I can't grow facial hair and can literally count the number of individual hairs that grow :/. Been using that caffeine shampoo on my chin but no luck yet.

Yeah its a big step...I guess I'll see what other options he can offer.

I really don't think its worth all that surgery he mentioned and neither does he it seems. But he's still willing to offer the treatment if I want it though. A con to the surgery would be that my nose would become wider due to them cutting away some of the bone above my upper teeth to rotate the upper teeth. My nose is already wide enough imo and even he said to me at the time (2 years ago) that I wouldn't want it wider would I?
So then he hinted at a chin implant but I personally would prefer a chin augmentation as I don't want anything fake in me.

But like with all surgery there are risks and reading about these freak me out. I shall post some photos in a bit.

Re: Depression, Anxiety, or other Mental Health Conditions

Posted: Thu Nov 23, 2017 12:34 am
by No:1 Final Fantasy Fan
No:1 Final Fantasy Fan wrote:
Squinty wrote:Serious question, can you grow facial hair? Cause if you can, that can help with a weak chin.

I don't know about surgery for something like this. Seems like a big step.

I can't grow facial hair and can literally count the number of individual hairs that grow :/. Been using that caffeine shampoo on my chin but no luck yet.

Yeah its a big step...I guess I'll see what other options he can offer.

I really don't think its worth all that surgery he mentioned and neither does he it seems. But he's still willing to offer the treatment if I want it though. A con to the surgery would be that my nose would become wider due to them cutting away some of the bone above my upper teeth to rotate the upper teeth. My nose is already wide enough imo and even he said to me at the time (2 years ago) that I wouldn't want it wider would I?
So then he hinted at a chin implant but I personally would prefer a chin augmentation as I don't want anything fake in me.

But like with all surgery there are risks and reading about these freak me out. I shall post some photos in a bit.

photos
https://imgur.com/a/jxMhX

Re: Depression, Anxiety, or other Mental Health Conditions

Posted: Thu Nov 23, 2017 1:30 am
by Green Gecko
Not sure what else I can do to help you feel better but as a portrait artist who's mildly metrosexual (no homo etc) I would say you have nice lips and a strong brow, and your nose is not too wide. Also the verticality of the side profile is not dramatic at all, my entire face sticks out like a giant beak. I've known people have the opposite done where they are basically gurning all the time and have their jaw brought back but I've never heard of the opposite.

Hopefully if you can't accept how you look before too long you will find someone who does. I once had some random girl bang on about me being "chinless" guy but honestly I had no idea what she was on about, I've had people stare up at my nose and moan about my nostrils etc, but eventually I figured out that actually I was just a lot taller than these people and they couldn't see any neck (they couldn't see past my chest) or could only see my nose because I was a foot above them. I'm only 5'10" so yeah, if you feel judged by others think twice about why and play to your strengths..

Re: Depression, Anxiety, or other Mental Health Conditions

Posted: Thu Nov 23, 2017 8:14 am
by jawafour
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Re: Depression, Anxiety, or other Mental Health Conditions

Posted: Thu Nov 23, 2017 8:28 am
by Mini E
Yep - I agree with Jawa. You look fine pal.

Edit: Useful to be top of page with no contextualisation in the post ;)

Re: Depression, Anxiety, or other Mental Health Conditions

Posted: Thu Nov 23, 2017 8:51 am
by still
No. 1 FFF. Agree with all others. Zero problem. This is in your mind rather than reality. I speak from experience as for years I suffered from terrible facial dysmorphia. I thought I was truly hideous, like some kind of monster. Use to cross the road to avoid walking past bus queues, 'La Belle et la Bette' was my favourite films, wandered the streets a lot at night..... Now I'm not the most attractive man on the planet!!, but I now realise I'm not that bad.

So, you can trust me!

PS - can't resist!! - I'm getting married today.

Re: Depression, Anxiety, or other Mental Health Conditions

Posted: Thu Nov 23, 2017 9:13 am
by Mini E
Good luck!! That's awesome. Where's the GRcade live feed?!

Re: Depression, Anxiety, or other Mental Health Conditions

Posted: Thu Nov 23, 2017 10:35 am
by No:1 Final Fantasy Fan
Thank you guys for the replies! I feel a bit better and tbh surprised with the responses. I thought everyone would say that my lower jaw was abnormal and I would benefit from surgery.
I wish I posted in forums with photos years ago instead of just keeping it to myself...but found it difficult to even take the side profile photos of myself :/

Another thing though is I see so many guys on youtube etc getting this surgery done and their chins look way better than mine to begin with so makes me feel insecure and I say to myself if they are doing it then why shouldn't I...

Well I still have this appointment scheduled and can't cancel it now...so I'll go and have a chat anyway. He did say in the letter 2 years ago that if I wanted another opinion after my treatment then I can go back to see him. So no harm in this I guess.

Congratulations still! Have a great day! Thanks for coming online and posting even in your wedding day!

PS the links to my photos doesn't seem to work right now...think the site is down for now. Just incase anyone clicks on them and thinks I took them down.

new link
https://imgur.com/a/jxMhX

Re: Depression, Anxiety, or other Mental Health Conditions

Posted: Thu Nov 23, 2017 12:01 pm
by jawafour
still wrote:...PS - can't resist!! - I'm getting married today.


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That's terrific, still - thanks for all the advice and help that you have offered to folk in this thread :wub: .

Re: Depression, Anxiety, or other Mental Health Conditions

Posted: Thu Nov 23, 2017 12:36 pm
by False
Its up to you really. Important to note that external surgery doesnt fix mental issues. If you are a downer on your appearance you will remain one after the surgery, probably. Work on the brain part first and then decide about the external part.

If you do decide to go for surgeries then I dont see the issue with an implant. Much less invasive, much less dangerous, probably similar results.

Re: Depression, Anxiety, or other Mental Health Conditions

Posted: Thu Nov 23, 2017 4:05 pm
by Green Gecko
I would be concerned that this is possibly the kind of obsessive route that cosmetic surgery people go down forever. Also isn't it insanely expensive or on the NHS? If the latter kind of surprising to be honest because it's insanely hard to get counselling nevermind change your entire face, it seems.

I have a deviated septum for example that causes some discomfort but I normally don't even think about it when I'm well. I also have a benign fatty lipoma on my forehead from trauma from falling out of a tree or concussion when I was pissed (no idea really), it's easy to ignore if I don't rub it all the time and make it go red. Heading into my thirties I have some dry mole thing appear out of nowhere. Makes me sound hideous? Not really. We all have these insecurities and they scale with our sadness.

Re: Depression, Anxiety, or other Mental Health Conditions

Posted: Thu Nov 23, 2017 6:03 pm
by still
jawafour wrote:
still wrote:...PS - can't resist!! - I'm getting married today.


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That's terrific, still - thanks for all the advice and help that you have offered to folk in this thread :wub: .


Just to say thank you all. Just getting ready to go to pub for the evening which ‘unfortunately’ is 200 yards across the road.... Had a great day, now for a great night!

Re: Depression, Anxiety, or other Mental Health Conditions

Posted: Thu Nov 23, 2017 8:06 pm
by Hime
Gently-Parted Ringpiece wrote:Its up to you really. Important to note that external surgery doesnt fix mental issues. If you are a downer on your appearance you will remain one after the surgery, probably. Work on the brain part first and then decide about the external part.

If you do decide to go for surgeries then I dont see the issue with an implant. Much less invasive, much less dangerous, probably similar results.

This.

From your posts you made me think of the pictures of people who have lost their lower jaw due to chewing tobacco. In the pictures I can see a bit of a recess but I honestly wouldn't have noticed it if you didn't say anything.

Re: Depression, Anxiety, or other Mental Health Conditions

Posted: Thu Nov 23, 2017 8:19 pm
by smurphy
Yeah there's nothing wrong with the way you look. Judging your own appearance is incredibly difficult and more often than not people will plonk down on the negative side rather than assuming they're really attractive. Learning to like the way you look will be much easier and healthier long term than getting (unnecessary imo) surgeries.

Re: Depression, Anxiety, or other Mental Health Conditions

Posted: Fri Nov 24, 2017 9:14 pm
by Tragic Magic
Do you know what?

I stopped taking my 20mg citalopram and I feel alive and so full of emotion. They stopped me ejaculating which is why I stopped taking them but I feel happy again. I want to sing and dance!

I didn't tell the doctor but he doesn't need to know ;)

Re: Depression, Anxiety, or other Mental Health Conditions

Posted: Fri Nov 24, 2017 9:22 pm
by smurphy
I'm glad you're feeling good Traj. :D

Re: Depression, Anxiety, or other Mental Health Conditions

Posted: Fri Nov 24, 2017 10:52 pm
by Green Gecko
The withdrawal is pretty bad.. how long has it been? You should gradually reduce your dose. And about that, I find condoms don't help and it might be a bit (or a lot) more work, so unless you've found it totally impossible, there may be other ways. Try to make sure you've eaten and slept well, giant boner killers for me. Worth trying another medication though. I just wouldn't want you to have a more disruptive episode until things are more stable for you, circumstances from which depression arises etc. have changed.

It's sad, because medication is supposed to be a complimentary, regulatory intervention with the body's biochemical system to level out depressive states - this means sometimes you feel nothing at all where as before you might have felt both happy and sad. I certainly can feel contentedness and sometimes happiness on the medication but I don't tend to experience "joy" so much. I would never use the word "ecstatic" for example. However this is supposed to make it easier to complete proper treatment such as therapy and making life changes. That, does not always really happen..

Re: Depression, Anxiety, or other Mental Health Conditions

Posted: Fri Nov 24, 2017 11:47 pm
by Oblomov Boblomov
Go on, TM! Keep living the dream :mrgreen:.