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PostRe: [DISCUSSION] The Politics Thread 3.0
by Lagamorph » Sun Sep 20, 2015 11:37 pm

Given that America are the primary cause of the destabilisation that people are fleeing from they should be taking more than anyone, or providing massive funding to the European countries that are.

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PostRe: [DISCUSSION] The Politics Thread 3.0
by Lotus » Mon Sep 21, 2015 12:07 pm

TigaSefi wrote:
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The United Nations has been criticised for handing Saudi Arabia a key human rights role - despite the country having “arguably the worst record in the world” on freedoms for women, minorities and dissidents.


http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world ... 09716.html

strawberry floating Saudi Arabia :lol: :fp: Pretty much the worst country to give that kind of role to. What a joke.


That'll end well!

News today that a 17 year old boy is to be crucified (or beheaded first and then crucified, depending on which reports you read) for illegal protesting and alleged gun possession.

Good thing these clowns aren't leading up a key UN Human Rights panel. Oh sh-

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PostRe: [DISCUSSION] The Politics Thread 3.0
by Stugene » Tue Sep 22, 2015 8:23 pm

furiosum wrote:
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Lagamorph wrote:Why is 59% being considered an 'overwhelming victory' anyway? It's barely more than half.

I also keep hearing a lot about his 'anti-austerity' agenda, but have heard absolutely nothing of how he plans on funding that agenda. Is it basically "scrap Trident and use the money from that"? Even if he was able to go through with that, it'd take years for any actual money to come from scrapping it surely. It's not like he can just say "Trident replacement is now scrapped" and the next day he'll suddenly have billions to spend.


I'm pretty sure that's what "people's quantitative easing", i.e. "we don't have enough money for our policies so lets just print more", is for. Oh, and more than doubling corporation tax (at least, I presume that's how he intends to more than double tax income from corporations)


Or by closing the off-shore tax loophole.


Given that that would almost certainly require significant changes to international law, and would be opposed by an awful lot of countries which benefit from being tax havens, I'm pretty sceptical about it being practical.


You don't need another country's permission to refuse their money.


Except that's not remotely how it works. Off-shore tax havens work because companies make themselves formally based in that country, and therefore pay tax there. We can only claim tax on business that is declared in our country for tax reasons, to prevent companies from choosing where they base themselves for tax reasons, and declaring the majority of income in that country, would require a complete overhaul of the global tax system.


Thanks for explaining how tax havens work. It was very condescending.

There are two solutions I can see:

    You prevent these companies trading in the UK by refusing to trade with companies that are based in tax havens. (Which is what I alluded to in the quoted post)
    You tax all trading in the UK, regardless of where the companies are domiciled.

The first point wouldn't work, as legitimate business can be located in tax havens, albeit far less than their income from off-shore banking.
The second point would, as you would penalise companies that did not declare tax correctly. However, considering the sheer amount of offshore banking performed by current members of parliament and their friends, there is no end in sight.

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PostRe: [DISCUSSION] The Politics Thread 3.0
by Alvin Flummux » Tue Sep 22, 2015 11:47 pm

KK wrote:America to accept 70,00 total refugees this year, 85,000 in 2016 and 100,000 in 2017 (or possibly 100,00 in total...it's hard to tell from how they've poorly worded these articles). Either way Fox News and CBS News readers blowing a gasket at that.


CBS is nothing like Fox. I'd rate it being somewhere between NBC and Channel 4 News.

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PostRe: [DISCUSSION] The Politics Thread 3.0
by captain red dog » Wed Sep 23, 2015 2:02 pm

Lagamorph wrote:Given that America are the primary cause of the destabilisation that people are fleeing from they should be taking more than anyone, or providing massive funding to the European countries that are.

They should be doing both in my opinion with the UK doing proportionally the same.

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PostRe: [DISCUSSION] The Politics Thread 3.0
by KK » Wed Sep 23, 2015 2:12 pm

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KK wrote:America to accept 70,00 total refugees this year, 85,000 in 2016 and 100,000 in 2017 (or possibly 100,00 in total...it's hard to tell from how they've poorly worded these articles). Either way Fox News and CBS News readers blowing a gasket at that.


CBS is nothing like Fox. I'd rate it being somewhere between NBC and Channel 4 News.

Clearly quite the disconnect between the news organisation website and the readers commenting.

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PostRe: [DISCUSSION] The Politics Thread 3.0
by Alvin Flummux » Wed Sep 23, 2015 3:42 pm

'Twas ever thus.

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PostRe: [DISCUSSION] The Politics Thread 3.0
by Captain Kinopio » Wed Sep 23, 2015 5:32 pm

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Lagamorph wrote:Given that America are the primary cause of the destabilisation that people are fleeing from they should be taking more than anyone, or providing massive funding to the European countries that are.

They should be doing both in my opinion with the UK doing proportionally the same.


Seems to me that a good chunk of the recent influx are from countries impacted by the Arab Spring, which you can hardly blame America and the UK for.

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PostRe: [DISCUSSION] The Politics Thread 3.0
by KK » Sat Sep 26, 2015 8:23 pm

Yahoo News wrote:Merkel's popularity drops in Germany amid migrant crisis

Berlin (AFP) - German Chancellor Angela Merkel's popularity at home has been hit by her policy of openness towards the wave of migrants coming in from Syria and elsewhere, according to an opinion poll published Saturday.

Merkel's "strong commitment to the refugees has obviously not been met with much backing," the Der Spiegel weekly newspaper said on the poll published in its pages.

Germany is expecting up to a million refugees and migrants to enter its borders this year, many encouraged by Merkel's welcoming stance.

On Saturday she urged Germans to bring back the spirit of the country's reunification in 1990 to help face today's challenge of integrating the hundreds of thousands of people fleeing war and misery.

The German Chancellor was placed fourth in the paper's regular popularity contest, carried out by the TNS Forschung institute.

In first place was her foreign minister, the Social Democrat Frank-Walter Steinmeier who won 67 percent support in response to the posed question: which political figures they hoped would "play an important role in future".

Merkel garnered 64 percent in the poll, five points less than in June.

In second place was Finance Minister Wolfgang Schauble, who has won plaudits for his handling of the Greek debt crisis. Third was German President Joachim Gauck.

It was the first time in this parliament, which began in 2013, that a Social Democrat, part of Merkel's federal government, came out on top of the poll, according to Der Spiegel.

The poll of 1,013 people was carried out from September 19 to 22.

http://news.yahoo.com/merkel-seeks-germ ... 47472.html

Daily Moan/The Times wrote:Rape and child abuse 'are rife in German refugee camps': Unsegregated conditions blamed as women are 'seen as fair game' in overcrowded migrant centres

A culture of rape and sexual abuse is being allowed to take hold in asylum centres across Germany as Europe struggles to cope with the migrant crisis, it has been alleged,

Women’s rights groups and politicians have highlighted assaults against women and children in at least one camp.

And they suggest such incidents may be widespread, with many going unreported to the police.

Campaigners also claimed some men saw unaccompanied women as ‘fair game’, and also blamed conditions in which occupants were unsegregated by gender or nationality.

http://www.dailyfail.co.uk/news/article ... int-claim-

NBC News wrote:Refugee Crisis: Unease Mixes With Empathy in Germany

While the wave of German generosity for incoming refugees might be unabated, it's starting to coming up against a swell of angst and unease.

Nearly all the chairs in the sports hall of this small rural town were occupied one recent evening by locals keen to air their concerns over a refugee processing center due to open there in an abandoned military installation.

"We need your understanding and support for the foreigners, who are coming to us in need of help," Stefanie Ross-Stabernack, head of the community council, told the packed hall in her opening remarks.

But with politicians expecting up to one million asylum-seekers this year and reports of overcrowded refugee shelters elsewhere, several residents expressed fear instead of empathy.

"How is this supposed to continue?" asked Herbert Gross, 70. "We are taking in more and more and more people. Many of them get better housing than a poor worker in Germany," he added, to applause.

http://www.nbcnews.com/storyline/europe ... ny-n433106

It's all very predictable, really. The comments on the Yahoo article echoing those found on CBS, Fox News, and the Daily Mail interestingly enough. Completely rational though, obviously...

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PostRe: [DISCUSSION] The Politics Thread 3.0
by NickSCFC » Sat Sep 26, 2015 9:17 pm

For once I agree with something Corbyn has said :?

http://www.dailyfail.co.uk/news/article ... sible.html

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PostRe: [DISCUSSION] The Politics Thread 3.0
by Lotus » Sat Sep 26, 2015 10:22 pm

KK wrote:Too much to quote

Yeah, very predictable. Already some Germans are being forced to move (from council house equivalents) to make room for the refugees/migrants.

They interviewed some of the migrants on BBC news the other day, and they were quite honest about why they want to get to Germany, UK, Sweden; they've been told that they'll get a free house, free healthcare, free education, and a passport. It's great that people are so keen to welcome hundreds of thousands of migrants in, no questions asked, and give them these things, but it's obviously going to create resentment when houses, school places, hospital beds, etc all get given to them and people who've been on waiting lists for months/years get ousted.

Germany also seem to be housing all of them in blocks of flats/localised into small ghettos. I'm sure that'll help integration.

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PostRe: [DISCUSSION] The Politics Thread 3.0
by Shadow » Sun Sep 27, 2015 12:02 am

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Daily Moan/The Times wrote:Rape and child abuse 'are rife in German refugee camps': Unsegregated conditions blamed as women are 'seen as fair game' in overcrowded migrant centres

A culture of rape and sexual abuse is being allowed to take hold in asylum centres across Germany as Europe struggles to cope with the migrant crisis, it has been alleged,

Women’s rights groups and politicians have highlighted assaults against women and children in at least one camp.

And they suggest such incidents may be widespread, with many going unreported to the police.

Campaigners also claimed some men saw unaccompanied women as ‘fair game’, and also blamed conditions in which occupants were unsegregated by gender or nationality.

http://www.dailyfail.co.uk/news/article ... int-claim-


Such vulgar journalism.

There's no facts or stats in the entire article, just hearsay. In any large gathering of people, I'm sure there will be some creepy rapey guys. But the language they use here really is awful. "Suggest incidents are widespread" "Believe many are going unreported" both of those lines are say "Well, no-one's said they've been raped, but we reckon they have. There's some really rapey looking blokes in that camp".

They're just trying to make us fear these people, as if they're all strawberry floating monsters. It's becauese of articles like this that people like Cal are constantly banging on about Muslim rapists.

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PostRe: [DISCUSSION] The Politics Thread 3.0
by Lotus » Wed Sep 30, 2015 10:34 am

Ugh, Jamaica can strawberry float right off.

Not only are they 'demanding' billions of pounds in reparations for slavery, but their prisons are so gooseberry fool that we're having to pay £25m to build them to a decent standard so we can deport their citizens who've committed crimes in the UK.

What a joke. :fp:

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PostRe: [DISCUSSION] The Politics Thread 3.0
by KK » Wed Sep 30, 2015 11:41 am

Jeremy Corbyn vs. Eamonn Holmes on Sky News


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PostRe: [DISCUSSION] The Politics Thread 3.0
by Stugene » Wed Sep 30, 2015 7:23 pm

KK wrote:Jeremy Corbyn vs. Eamonn Holmes on Sky News



An excellent interview, despite the goading.

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PostRe: [DISCUSSION] The Politics Thread 3.0
by Squinty » Wed Sep 30, 2015 9:00 pm

strawberry floating Eamonn Holmes everyone.

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PostRe: [DISCUSSION] The Politics Thread 3.0
by KK » Wed Sep 30, 2015 10:02 pm

Just saw a clip of Corbyn beginning to lose his rag on Sky News and walking off. I think things are already beginning to get to him.

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PostRe: [DISCUSSION] The Politics Thread 3.0
by Prototype » Wed Sep 30, 2015 10:18 pm

KK wrote:Just saw a clip of Corbyn beginning to lose his rag on Sky News and walking off. I think things are already beginning to get to him.


You think?

Of course they are. He's been hounded and harrassed by all sections of the press.

I'd quite like him to tell one of Sky's finest to beat it... and I'm not that fussed about Labour, even in this "political revolution".

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PostRe: [DISCUSSION] The Politics Thread 3.0
by KK » Wed Sep 30, 2015 10:21 pm

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Honestly wouldn't be shocked if he quits within the next year.

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PostRe: [DISCUSSION] The Politics Thread 3.0
by Shadow » Wed Sep 30, 2015 10:29 pm

Unlike every political leader ever, he invites members of his party to share their opinions, even when they disagree with him.

"I don't have a monopoly on wisdom."

I think it will take some getting used to, but this is how it's going to be now. He's going to say a thing and then other people in his party are encouraged to challenge him if they disagree.


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